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Max Welton Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 10697 Location: Black Forest, CO
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Yabbadubbadoo Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2012 Posts: 914
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Another well executed performance mod Nate. You got skills man. Very impressed. I'm also looking at trying to perform a factory looking replaceable air filter mod at a later stage in my build. Every vw performance guy I've talked to harps on about getting cold air down the throat of a type 3 as being massively important and not that easy. Looks like you nailed it. _________________ Sydney, Australia.
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7527 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Nice to dampen the drone from open-element filters..
Bravo.
Enough years of driving these cars, and you eventually get sick of having to shout.
You have to have a big stereo, otherwise you'd never be able to hear it!
Funny how we have similar ideas.
My notion was to take two of the stock PDSIT oil-bath cleaners.
Where the stock air box has two 'legs' on each side, my plan was to have four.
(if that makes any sense... )
Said another way:
Always thought it would be cool to have two oil-bathers, side-by-side, with two snorkles and two rubber ducts to two openings in the rear cooling area.
It -almost- seems like the type 4 would give enough room for that...
Then four tubes running out sideways, with two wing-nuts above each carb...
Ya feeling me here?
It would look totally factory in all of it's details and whatnot.
I got another snorkel-boot-to-cooling-air-inlet-duct clip, and am almost ready to weld it in on the other side....
Almost. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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68vwfasty Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2014 Posts: 277 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:33 am Post subject: |
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That does look really cool!
Where does the carb linkage go? Behind? |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Clatter wrote: |
Nice to dampen the drone from open-element filters..
Bravo.
Enough years of driving these cars, and you eventually get sick of having to shout.
You have to have a big stereo, otherwise you'd never be able to hear it!
Funny how we have similar ideas.
My notion was to take two of the stock PDSIT oil-bath cleaners.
Where the stock air box has two 'legs' on each side, my plan was to have four.
(if that makes any sense... )
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The whole reason behind the central air cleaner was to muffle the "snort-snort" of the dual TBs. That constant sucking sound is irritating to me; I must be getting old. . .
68vwfasty wrote: |
That does look really cool!
Where does the carb linkage go? Behind? |
I'm using Tangerine Racing's cable linkage and it's on the fwd side of the TBs where it can't be seen. I'm also going for a clean, uncluttered look as well as really smooth throttle operation. I've found no better linkage than Tangerine Racing bar-none. _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22358 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Nate M. wrote: |
So as body work continues (cough, hack, puke), I took a break from that work that I hate(!) and jumped back on a fab job that I began a couple months ago. I got to the point that I needed to install my mock-up motor so I could finalize the racing exhaust pipe location as well as finish making the custom air box for the ITBs. Believe it or not, this was my first test fit of the mock-up motor with the new mount bar, exhaust and ITBs in the car. . . LIKE A GLOVE!!!
I’ll finish weld them tomorrow since it’s been a pretty long day thus far. Eventually it will get powder coated like the engine tins for that "factory skunk-works" look and a fresh K&N element. |
Very nice. Should fool most people who might see it. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17963 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Nice to see a Hot Rod square under construction! _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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MonT3 Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2012 Posts: 1988 Location: South Dakota
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Finally, the fender stretching is done!! Got the drivers side rear finished-up yesterday evening and it feels good to have that all behind me. It came out pretty darned good but was a bit tedious to get the same as the left side.
I also shaved the inner edge of the fiberglass bumpers in order to allow them to fit since the fenders wouldn't allow proper fitment without it. Luckily there's enough meet on them to trim around 1/2" off and still have them look un-modified.
I still have a bit of under fender work to do, but the part everyone see's is done. I really like the "fat squatting" look from the rear with the fat tires and the 911 banana can poking out. I may reposition the exhaust tip a little higher, but all in all the look of the rear is about where I wanted it.
_________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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vlad01 Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2010 Posts: 3069 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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looks phat as! _________________ The best of VW engine development!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROWqjuTM0g
71 Aussie notchback, the money pit
92 VP vacationer, old faithful never die
95 VR executive, Restored beyond factory
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Took about an hour to shorten these IDF/DRLA manifolds 1 3/4" so they would fit into the Squarsche. I cut them apart on a band saw.
Then after beveling all the edges so I could get good penetration, I TIG welded them back together again. Then after they cooled down, I used a burr to smooth out the transition on the inside for good flow from the ITBs.
These were so easy to do that I may as well let folks know that I can do these for you if you need them done. _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22358 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Nate M. wrote: |
Took about an hour to shorten these IDF/DRLA manifolds 1 3/4" so they would fit into the Squarsche. I cut them apart on a band saw.
Then after beveling all the edges so I could get good penetration, I TIG welded them back together again. Then after they cooled down, I used a burr to smooth out the transition on the inside for good flow from the ITBs.
These were so easy to do that I may as well let folks know that I can do these for you if you need them done.
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The rear of the car sure looks good like that. It almost begs the question, "does this make my butt look fat?"
My question on the manifolds is, will the missing 1 3/4 inch you took out change the angle of your pipes on the air cleaner? Or are you going to use taller rubber elbows to make up the missing bit of manifold? _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Tram wrote: |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
My question on the manifolds is, will the missing 1 3/4 inch you took out change the angle of your pipes on the air cleaner? Or are you going to use taller rubber elbows to make up the missing bit of manifold? |
These are the same size as the manifolds on my mock-up motor so none of that will change. I couldn't use those existing manifolds on the new motor because I'm running Porsche 3-stud heads and those manifolds were made for the 4-stud heads only. _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22358 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Nate M. wrote: |
Bobnotch wrote: |
My question on the manifolds is, will the missing 1 3/4 inch you took out change the angle of your pipes on the air cleaner? Or are you going to use taller rubber elbows to make up the missing bit of manifold? |
These are the same size as the manifolds on my mock-up motor so none of that will change. I couldn't use those existing manifolds on the new motor because I'm running Porsche 3-stud heads and those manifolds were made for the 4-stud heads only. |
Ok, thanks for the clarification. You never know unless you ask. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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This Saturday, I got the sway bar mounts made (well mostly made) and test fitted.
I also tweeked the entire throttle cable system and get it swapped over from the single TB location to the new location that works with the ITBs on this car. This also called for a custom cable, cable sheath extension and some other stuff so that it would work in this bastard step-child of a car. The result is a SUPER smooth cable linkage. The system is from Tangerine Racing and is a piece of art. If you want smooth linkage that is simple to sync and clean, this is the only set to get.
Today, my Son Josh began assembling the bottom-end of the new race motor. He's doing a great job so far and I'll post photos of that when the bottom-end comes together. _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7527 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, that's right, 911 front suspension...
Forgot about that already...
This car is too much, I'm going to have to go and sit down for a while...
Who's quote was it again;
"Hey, are you OK?"
Von Dutch?
Be sure to take a pic or two of your kid assembling the motor.
That's something they will never forget. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Beginning this week, my son Josh has been out of school and is coming in to give his old man a hand at the shop. But it’s not without a mission. Since he was about 8 y/o, he’s been coming in occasionally to help when he needed some extra money to buy stuff kids buy. Over the past 6 years or so, he’s been my tear-down/parts-washing king. The un-disputed king at that. Now that he is 14 y/o he’s earned a new job. . .
Monday and Wednesday, he spent the better part of both days assembling the 2.3L race motor that will be the new heart of the Squarsche. What follows are a few shots of him assembling the bottom end. I have to say that he has really listened well and is doing a bang-up job on this motor so far. I couldn’t be more proud. . .
_________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1423 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Congrats on the child rearing. The question is, when are we going to see some laps in this? Looking great |
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VWporscheGT3 Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2006 Posts: 2073 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:40 am Post subject: |
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I find they do a better job if you beat them and sling insults at them as they work... get that "i just want daddy to love me" mentallity going , so when there done you can hug them and be the dad they want you to be... just kidding... just kidding... I look forward to sharing this stuff with my son, we have a 51 Chevy 3100 truck to rebuild for his first car. Straight six, manual tranny... the kid is going to learn to appreciate and value hard work. and when its done he'll have something to be proud of. _________________ Schnell, SCHNELL!
I like being wrong, Because, it is another opportunity to learn. If you stop learning from your mistakes than what is the point?
If you have any questions about Forged ICON 4032 VW pistons just shoot me a line. |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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eyetzr wrote: |
Congrats on the child rearing. The question is, when are we going to see some laps in this? Looking great |
Thanks. He's a good kid and to my surprise, through all the smart-assness he listens really well and is really careful and methodical with his actions. Which is perfect for engine building,. . . and plotting to burn down the school. . . I'll steer him to the former and hope the later never enters his mind.
As for laps, well you'll have t wait a bit for those since the car will be finished around the end of the typical race season. There will be a series of "runs" though. . .
Since I sent-in my car registration, Dr's certs, waivers and entry fees today, I may as well let everyone know that I'm officially planning to "pop the cherry" on the Squarsche at the Bonneville Salt Flats this September at the World of Speed event (Sept 6th-9th). We'll be attempting to gain entry into the "130 Club" which means we need two consecutive runs with an average between 130.000 - 139.999mph without going over. It's a tall order, but we're going. That's the goal, that's the mission and we're determined to make it.
Oddly, it turns out that there has NEVER been a type3 to compete at Bonneville so we'll be poppin' the cherry on that one too!! There has only been 1 type3 (a Fasty) to ever compete in a land speed event in the world and it was last year in Australia. Apparently they ran into motor issues and only attained a top speed of around 75mph. . . I'm hoping to better that in 3rd gear with another two gears to go.
My son and I have named our race team "Mutt Racing" since the Squarsche is a mutt-car. Our Race number is T-828, so cheer us on come early September.
As a side note: my 14 y/o son is going to be towing me back to the pits after each run since "racing vehicles" are not allowed to drive back under their own power after a run (even if they are in a street car class like the 130 Club). I think my son is more excited about getting to drive my '62 Ranchero tow vehicle than actually being part of a race team competing at Bonneville. . . He went for his first practice today on the back roads. . . I can't get that sh*t-eatin' grin off his face 3 hours later. . . _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
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