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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had Josh trace out and cut the second inner fender well panel for the Squarsche today. He'll be doing a mirror image of what he watched me do yesterday on the passenger side.

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On the passenger side I marked and welded in the dzus anchors I bought from Speed Mart into the OEM inner fender well. This will act as an air duct to bring cooling air from the NACA ducts fwd of the rear wheel, over the rear wheel and straight into the OEM cool air duct at the back of the car. This will help to force-feed the fan at speed. I went this route rather than just switch to the later fender grills and *hope* enough air would find its way into the fan.

Since we're running at Bonneville, we had better be able to clean the ducts out after racing, so they are being held in with dzus fasteners. Here's my side:

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His side to follow and I'm sure it'll be better than mine. . .
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Super cool idea with the ducts! <--- Sorry, pun...

There are so many questions to be answered and experiments to be performed with regard to cooling... It's just infinite.

How fun would it be to have days to test different things?
Will you be doing any tests of pressure, pitot tubes and such?
I guess the temp gauge should tell you a lot,
But with making a motor change, your control data has been compromised.
Guess you could block off the ducts and compare.
Trying the late vs. early louvres would be fun too.

Aerodynamics are always so surprising, and always seem to give different results than what is expected.
At least in my limited experience....

Can't wait to see your results with all of this!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:
Super cool idea with the ducts! <--- Sorry, pun...

There are so many questions to be answered and experiments to be performed with regard to cooling... It's just infinite.

How fun would it be to have days to test different things?
Will you be doing any tests of pressure, pitot tubes and such?
I guess the temp gauge should tell you a lot,
But with making a motor change, your control data has been compromised.
Guess you could block off the ducts and compare.
Trying the late vs. early louvres would be fun too.

Aerodynamics are always so surprising, and always seem to give different results than what is expected.
At least in my limited experience....

Can't wait to see your results with all of this!
Green With Envy..


About the only testing I'll be able to do is to cover over the ducts and run with/without them 1 at a time and note the changes in head temps. Anecdotal evidence will be the extent of my testing. Gotta give the samba-know-it-all-trolls something to debate right in the future right?? Rolling Eyes Laughing

It's funny that I still have people almost 15 years later tell me that the side scoops that I made for my bus don't work, when I have proven time and time again that they do (mine do anyway). . .
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's funny that I still have people almost 15 years later tell me that the side scoops that I made for my bus don't work, when I have proven time and time again that they do (mine do anyway). . .


you must have used the expensive teflon lined baking pans where everyone else used the cheap ones Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol.

I know a guy with a bay with suby conversion. He has the side scoops and they make a difference.

What I found interesting is that he found one day the engine running 5ºC hotter and later found it was the rear pop out was defecting the air away when open, closed the windows temps dropped back down, did it like clock work so very definitive proof of the effects of air flow on such factors that seem arbitrary otherwise.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's funny that I still have people almost 15 years later tell me that the side scoops that I made for my bus don't work, when I have proven time and time again that they do (mine do anyway). . .


you must have used the expensive teflon lined baking pans where everyone else used the cheap ones Laughing


Well duuuuh. . . The teflon lets the air slip right into the engine compartment and is the key to the whole thing. Most VW people are just too cheap to spring for teflon pans. . . Sheesh. . . Laughing

You know what they say, "The only thing cheaper than a VW is the owner!!" Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No pics today. . . Just verbage.

Had a couple days that disappointed me and ended up as wasted time, which I can't afford at this point with less than 50 days to go before World of Speed @ Bonneville. Anyway, progress was made on 2 fronts. . .

1. I got the inner fenders sealed for the NACA ducts to bring cooling air to the engine. This was huge. Originally, I had grandiose schemes of ducting from the NACA ducts to the inner fenders, however I had grossly over thought this. All I needed to do was to prevent air from traveling from the NACA ducts to the rear section of the fenders and attempted a fiberglass ducting system to make this happen. . . I lost a n entire day on this fiasco. A simple 6" wall prevents this and the "lazy air" will have no choice but to go down the duct over the rear tire and into the engine. Woohoo!! A HUGE burden has been lifted off my shoulders. . .

2. I now have brakes. Yeah, racing at Bonneville make brakes kind of the last thing you need to be concerned about, but it was forward progress, so I'm counting it today. I need all the fwd progress that I can get.

3. I found the perfect seals on Ebay for the inner fender/outer fender and I'll be ordering them tonight.

I may start throwing receipts away on this project. . . This sh*t is getting expensive and completely depressing . . I'm a freakin' privateer on a shoestring budget and and prayer!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After weeks of delays due to shop and family commitments as well as part incompatibility issues, Josh was finally able to finish the engine build that he started several weeks ago. None too soon I might add since it is getting down to the wire on this project!!

One of the issues we had was when I ordered a ring set, TWICE, I was sent the wrong oil control rings. Each time, causing a week or more in delays. . . Man was it nice to get those cylinders on and the motor finished. Here are a few shots of Josh back at it getting the cylinders prepped and heads on and torqued.

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After we determined our rocker geometry and made adjustments via shims and push rod length, Josh got down to making the custom length chromoly push rods. He did a fantastic job!!

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He then was able to get the modified 1.7L rockers w/ OEM Porsche 911 adjusters installed and the valves adjusted.

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We’re going to start the motor with these bolt-on covers. Yeah, yeah, I know; they will probably leak, but we gotta try ‘em anyway since they’re easy to change out for stockers. . .

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Before the engine tins went on, we set the air gap at the hall sensor and 36-1 trigger wheel to 3mm and verified a good signal with a multimeter. We wanted to do this now since getting at it later will be “fun”.

Then began the job of the engine tins. We robbed these off the old 2056cc and cleaned them-up.

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After that, we mounted the ITBs and synced the linkage, which only took about 30 seconds (try syncing any other type of linkage that fast).

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Then I had Josh break out the torch and anneal the copper exhaust gaskets so they would be butter-soft for good stub sealing.

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After they cooled, he installed them into the ports, anti-seized the studs and mounted the custom stubs using OEM Porsche 914 2.0L exhaust nuts.

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Below is a shot of Josh and his first motor build. I’m really proud of him and what he has created here.

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Today, I had to make an exhaust hanger just before the V-band. With the 911 muffler, this is not needed, but if I run a straight pipe, it will need to be supported. This is what I came up with.

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Then we got the header on and the muffler installed.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nate,

My hats off to you for getting your sons hands dirty with your project. I recall giving my father grief over turning a wrench and now wish I could have that experience. I can't wait until my son gets a little bigger to so I can try and get him involved. I found him taking a busted air grinder (no disc or wheel on it) and pretending to be working on his truck. He was into so I'm hoping he has the same attitude when it comes to the real thing. Josh looks very happy and proud of his creation which I'm sure is a great feeling for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Nate another great long term project that is turning out great as well. The grin on your son says a bunch. What does the grin on dad look like? Nate well done, Josh, I do not have words Applause Applause Applause
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Doesn't this just speak volumes?

And why not?
What a sweet, sweet, motor!
While the big, obvious things are over the top, like the FI and exhaust,
There's details that are all over the place, each with their own little story;
Early early fan with the little rubber cone thingie in the middle,
Exhaust scavenging/PCV setup,
Type 4 deep sump,
On and on... Literally half a lifetime of learning and collecting and working represented here...

HELL of a first motor to build..!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty cool build, how many days to speed week?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the kind words guys. Even through all the smart-@$$ness, I think Josh is picking this stuff up pretty good and is doing a great job on his part.

I made some more progress yesterday. I modified the tank (via BAH Laughing ) and got it mounted. That enabled me to be able to finalize the front strut bar and weld-in the studs for it.

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This is the first front stiffener to go in. I'm going to be doing some testing in the months to come to see if more will be needed.

I also made the spoiler stiffener support and mounted it to the inside of the spoiler. This is necessary because all the force of the air at high speeds will eventually break the mounts for the bumper since they are just fiberglassed in place. This will support the bottom really nicely and make it solid at high speeds. I still need to make the strut bars that tie it to the front suspension, Since I ran out of materials.

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I also mounted & plumbed the Walbro fuel pump and filter as well as ran all the front fuel hoses.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nate Speed week was cancelled, it seems the flats have turned into a lake... bummer bro....
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nate Speed week was cancelled, it seems the flats have turned into a lake... bummer bro....


Yeah, that was really too bad. It was postponed for 2 days and then they pulled the plug on it when it rained again. It only takes 2 days or so for the water to evaporate, so it was a chance worth taking. . .

World of Speed is the big VW event that gets covered in the magazines and that is still on for Sept 6th-9th. That's the event I'm planning on doing since the USFRA is the body that runs the 130 club which I will try and gain entry into.

Still on track for WOS 2014!!! Come on sunshine!!
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Aha, didn't know they were separate events.. learn something everyday. I was over on a motorcycle news site, and they said it was cancelled and I immedietly thought of you... good to know your event will likely be fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work you and your son are doing there Nate. It's looking closer to getting done. Hope you make your deadline. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assembly continues. . .

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very cool. How does it sit with the rear engine in and rolling it out for ride height?
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vwfye wrote:
Very cool. How does it sit with the rear engine in and rolling it out for ride height?


IMHO, it sits perfect, but I'm biased. Laughing

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The front and rear are both adjustable with the turn of a wrench so I can go lower or higher than it currentlyis. As of now, the front skid plate/mount and the deep sump are 4" off the ground and the front flex-dam is 3" off the ground. I will NOT be going any lower on the street (and will probably lift the front & rear up another inch just to be safe). For Bonneville, I want to have the front no more than 1.5" off the ground and suck the rear down another inch.
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