My Shop-car build thread

eyetzr · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:07 am Post subject:

Sweet, now that is the picture for the Christmas card. Really stoked to see some times posted. As bobnotch said, he understands the effects of salt being in the salt belt, well I understand it as well. Wash rince repeat. Looking good guys, well done Applause

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I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done"

Brent · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:13 am Post subject:

vwfye · Samba Member Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661

Look what I found on the official site!

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eyetzr · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:44 am Post subject:

Now that is a proud shot! Wink

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I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done"

vwfye · Samba Member Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661

THis is what is posted so far after one round for Nate.

T828 MUTT RACING NATE M 94.363mph
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Nate M. · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:28 pm Post subject:

We're about half way home and have stopped for the night in Oregon.

Going to Bonneville to race was a whole group of adjectives. Eye-opening, fun, bonding, challenging, aggravating, exhilarating, retro, fun (did I say fun already??), etc, etc

Eye-opening: Anyone at or near seal level who has a hot car will be disappointed in it's performance at 4200'. At home (sea-level) my car pulls hard in every gear. I shift into 5th at around 90mph and it keeps pulling pretty nicely even when I let-off around 105-110mph. At Bonneville, in the thin air my car felt like it was breathing through a straw. In fact it was. at home, WOT is 100kpa. At Bonneville, WOT was 85kpa (with the engine off and the MAP sniffing ambient air). This cannot be overstated. It results in a very lazy feeling car. Having experienced this first hand now, I have even more respect for the guys who go fast especially on a N/A motor.

With the back-up motor, I knew 130 club was not possible. But I assumed I would be in the 110-115mph range at the end of the 1 mile course. . . Boy was I wrong!! Our car was very consistent but consistently slower than I would have guessed. We ran 94.3-94.5mph on day 2 shifting @ red line (5600) on every shift. I would shift into 5th at around the 3/4 mile mark but it just wouldn't pull in high gear. It couldn't breathe. It was very interesting and aggravating. This morning we did our final 2 runs and made a change to the fuel maps to lean it out a bit since it was pig-rich. Progress was made and we ran a 96.0 on the first run. So before the second and final run of the meet, I removed the air dam since it was only needed around 105 in the past. We really hoped to break 100mph after removing all that frontal area. . . Well, it only improved us to 96.9mph.

The take away for me was that I really needed a better cam (this motor has a stock bottom-end) and the ability to get 6500 or more out of every gear. Going into this meet over 80hp down and 1500 less rpm range blocked us.

Traction was also a big issue. My tires were not ideal for Bonneville, but I knew that. Driving on the salt is like driving on astro turf. It's hard but soft at the same time.

We were super reliable all through the event. I only loaned my tools to other racers. My car needed nothing between runs.

Parting shots from the salt. . .

As for cleaning the salt off the cars, virtually everyone I talked to said the exact same thing: Put it on jack stands with no wheels and put 4 oscillating Rain Bird sprinklers under it for 2-3 days to douche it all out.
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Nate M.

Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature

For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!!

vwfye · Samba Member Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661

Thanks for the follow up on a post event energy dump. How big were the TBs on this engine?
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64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3"

Nate M. · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:53 am Post subject:

eyetzr · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:03 am Post subject:

Thanks guys, that was a great trip. Congrats on the runs, a bit sad "we" did not meet "our" targets, but learned from this. So.......... when are we going back??? Applause

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I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done"

vlad01 · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:31 am Post subject:

very nice to see it get out on the track after all that work.

just looking at the pics, the salt makes me cringe. Shocked

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Nate M. · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:03 am Post subject:

Nate M. · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:05 am Post subject:

Clatter · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:19 am Post subject:

Driving home, sunburned, happy, and forever a little saltier before.
Congraduations!
Laughing

Bet you are thinking about a snail right now, eh?

It's always humbling to find out just how fast you really are, eh?
I remember in high school, there were the High School Drags every year at Bandimere in Denver.
By best friend had '69 Mustang Mach 1 with a 428 SCJ, top-loader, 3:89 posi, Edelbrock manifold, headers, Mallory, etc. etc.
We all read how the Ford factory was runnig high 13s with it during testing when new, and we all guessed how with the mods to this car, we would be a lot faster,
What with reading magazines and doing burnouts and all...

16 flat was the best it ever ran. Embarassed

Nobody realizes how fast is fast until you've been there.

The bullshit stops when the green flag drops!

Talk is cheap.
Thanks for making it real.
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Bobnotch · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject:

Nate M. · Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:30 pm Post subject:

I spent the entire day today with the pressure washer wand in hand spraying the salt off the Squarsche, the Ranchero and the tow dolly. Holy ton of salt Batman!! I would guess that I sprayed off 100# of salt off of EACH car!! I pulled all the fenders off the Squarsche to make things easier than the Ranchero. The front fenders weighed about 40# each!! The rears had almost nothing on them.

After 2 cars the the tow dolly were done, the parking lot was solid white from all the salt. Freakin' increadible. . . I am so glad I had Josh douche both cars with two coats of SaltX solution prior to leaving.
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Nate M.

Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature

For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!!

eyetzr · Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:10 am Post subject:

you should be selling vials of debris to fund the next run. Autographed, numbered. Great souvenirs, $5.00 plus shipping. Sign me up. Great job guys! P.S. Love the Ranchero, I had a 62 Falcon way back.
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I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done"

Bobnotch · Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:22 am Post subject:

vwfye · Samba Member Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661

Nate,
how did the salt pattern under the car look? Or did you notice before you pulled the air dam for the last runs?

I've always been curious about the aero under our cars.
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1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3"

Nate M. · Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject:


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