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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22432 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Nate M. wrote: |
eyetzr wrote: |
Hey Josh get a picture of the happy/proud father/driver. |
Will Josh and I do??
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SWEET, but your electrical cuttoff switch door is leaking salt.
Hey man, I'm just busting your balls. Looks like you guys are having a great time, and you're doing that father and son "bonding" stuff. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1425 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Sweet, now that is the picture for the Christmas card. Really stoked to see some times posted. As bobnotch said, he understands the effects of salt being in the salt belt, well I understand it as well. Wash rince repeat. Looking good guys, well done _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
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Brent Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 1616 Location: San Tan Valley, AZ
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Nate M. wrote: |
eyetzr wrote: |
Hey Josh get a picture of the happy/proud father/driver. |
Will Josh and I do??
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That's a great pic Nate.
Sooooo, how fast??? _________________ 69 Fastback Build
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vwfye Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Look what I found on the official site!
_________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3" |
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1425 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Now that is a proud shot! _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
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vwfye Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:47 am Post subject: |
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THis is what is posted so far after one round for Nate.
T828 MUTT RACING NATE M 94.363mph _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3" |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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We're about half way home and have stopped for the night in Oregon.
Going to Bonneville to race was a whole group of adjectives. Eye-opening, fun, bonding, challenging, aggravating, exhilarating, retro, fun (did I say fun already??), etc, etc
Eye-opening: Anyone at or near seal level who has a hot car will be disappointed in it's performance at 4200'. At home (sea-level) my car pulls hard in every gear. I shift into 5th at around 90mph and it keeps pulling pretty nicely even when I let-off around 105-110mph. At Bonneville, in the thin air my car felt like it was breathing through a straw. In fact it was. at home, WOT is 100kpa. At Bonneville, WOT was 85kpa (with the engine off and the MAP sniffing ambient air). This cannot be overstated. It results in a very lazy feeling car. Having experienced this first hand now, I have even more respect for the guys who go fast especially on a N/A motor.
With the back-up motor, I knew 130 club was not possible. But I assumed I would be in the 110-115mph range at the end of the 1 mile course. . . Boy was I wrong!! Our car was very consistent but consistently slower than I would have guessed. We ran 94.3-94.5mph on day 2 shifting @ red line (5600) on every shift. I would shift into 5th at around the 3/4 mile mark but it just wouldn't pull in high gear. It couldn't breathe. It was very interesting and aggravating. This morning we did our final 2 runs and made a change to the fuel maps to lean it out a bit since it was pig-rich. Progress was made and we ran a 96.0 on the first run. So before the second and final run of the meet, I removed the air dam since it was only needed around 105 in the past. We really hoped to break 100mph after removing all that frontal area. . . Well, it only improved us to 96.9mph.
The take away for me was that I really needed a better cam (this motor has a stock bottom-end) and the ability to get 6500 or more out of every gear. Going into this meet over 80hp down and 1500 less rpm range blocked us.
Traction was also a big issue. My tires were not ideal for Bonneville, but I knew that. Driving on the salt is like driving on astro turf. It's hard but soft at the same time.
We were super reliable all through the event. I only loaned my tools to other racers. My car needed nothing between runs.
Parting shots from the salt. . .
As for cleaning the salt off the cars, virtually everyone I talked to said the exact same thing: Put it on jack stands with no wheels and put 4 oscillating Rain Bird sprinklers under it for 2-3 days to douche it all out. _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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vwfye Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the follow up on a post event energy dump. How big were the TBs on this engine? _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3" |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:53 am Post subject: |
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vwfye wrote: |
Thanks for the follow up on a post event energy dump. How big were the TBs on this engine? |
We are running the new 45mm ITBs and injection that were for the 2316cc. _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1425 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys, that was a great trip. Congrats on the runs, a bit sad "we" did not meet "our" targets, but learned from this. So.......... when are we going back??? _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
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vlad01 Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2010 Posts: 3069 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:31 am Post subject: |
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very nice to see it get out on the track after all that work.
just looking at the pics, the salt makes me cringe. _________________ The best of VW engine development!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROWqjuTM0g
71 Aussie notchback, the money pit
92 VP vacationer, old faithful never die
95 VR executive, Restored beyond factory
92 VP S Pack, bought it new old |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: |
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eyetzr wrote: |
Thanks guys, that was a great trip. Congrats on the runs, a bit sad "we" did not meet "our" targets, but learned from this. So.......... when are we going back??? |
Next year for WOS 2015!!!!! We've got a year to get the "A" motor ready and tuned. We still want to get into the 130 Club so we're going to take the things we learned this year and apply them to next.
Big changes are coming to the Squarsche before next year. . . _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:05 am Post subject: |
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vlad01 wrote: |
very nice to see it get out on the track after all that work.
just looking at the pics, the salt makes me cringe. |
The salt is really good on a plate of fries or BBQ.
I've got a jars worth of it and will be using it at future BBQs I have at the shop. _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7551 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Driving home, sunburned, happy, and forever a little saltier before.
Congraduations!
Bet you are thinking about a snail right now, eh?
It's always humbling to find out just how fast you really are, eh?
I remember in high school, there were the High School Drags every year at Bandimere in Denver.
By best friend had '69 Mustang Mach 1 with a 428 SCJ, top-loader, 3:89 posi, Edelbrock manifold, headers, Mallory, etc. etc.
We all read how the Ford factory was runnig high 13s with it during testing when new, and we all guessed how with the mods to this car, we would be a lot faster,
What with reading magazines and doing burnouts and all...
16 flat was the best it ever ran.
Nobody realizes how fast is fast until you've been there.
The bullshit stops when the green flag drops!
Talk is cheap.
Thanks for making it real. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22432 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Nate M. wrote: |
We're about half way home and have stopped for the night in Oregon.
Going to Bonneville to race was a whole group of adjectives. Eye-opening, fun, bonding, challenging, aggravating, exhilarating, retro, fun (did I say fun already??), etc, etc
Eye-opening: Anyone at or near seal level who has a hot car will be disappointed in it's performance at 4200'.
Traction was also a big issue. My tires were not ideal for Bonneville, but I knew that. Driving on the salt is like driving on astro turf. It's hard but soft at the same time.
We were super reliable all through the event. I only loaned my tools to other racers. My car needed nothing between runs. |
Well, I guess you now know why people who go there, get "salt fever". At least you learned, and now know what to do differently for next year. Trying to "simulate" the elevation change while at sea level might be tough to do though.
And having a super reliable car means a lot.
At least had a great time, a lot of fun, and even were the "1st Type 3 Volkswagen to race", which means a lot to those stuck at home cheering you on. Very cool guys. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I spent the entire day today with the pressure washer wand in hand spraying the salt off the Squarsche, the Ranchero and the tow dolly. Holy ton of salt Batman!! I would guess that I sprayed off 100# of salt off of EACH car!! I pulled all the fenders off the Squarsche to make things easier than the Ranchero. The front fenders weighed about 40# each!! The rears had almost nothing on them.
After 2 cars the the tow dolly were done, the parking lot was solid white from all the salt. Freakin' increadible. . . I am so glad I had Josh douche both cars with two coats of SaltX solution prior to leaving. _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1425 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:10 am Post subject: |
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you should be selling vials of debris to fund the next run. Autographed, numbered. Great souvenirs, $5.00 plus shipping. Sign me up. Great job guys! P.S. Love the Ranchero, I had a 62 Falcon way back. _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22432 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Nate M. wrote: |
After 2 cars the the tow dolly were done, the parking lot was solid white from all the salt. Freakin' increadible. . . I am so glad I had Josh douche both cars with two coats of SaltX solution prior to leaving. |
That's what our roads look like from December thru mid April. It's also the reason I don't drive my type3s in the winter. That stuff eats new cars in a few years, and they're galvanized on both sides, plus submerged primered.
What is this "SaltX" solution you're speaking of? _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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vwfye Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Nate,
how did the salt pattern under the car look? Or did you notice before you pulled the air dam for the last runs?
I've always been curious about the aero under our cars. _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3" |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
What is this "SaltX" solution you're speaking of? |
http://www.saltx.com/
We ised this on the top and bottom pf the entire car. It was a big advantage to have the car up on the lift for the underside. There were a few parts of bare metal that never got hit with primer that were treated with the SaltX and after being encased in salt for over a week, they are still shiny bare metal. Amazing stuff!! We bought a gallon and have barely used any of it since you mix it 1oz to one gallon of water.
The Squarsche had virtually nothing on the pan. Only the wheel wells rockers and a little on the lower parts of the trans and the engine which hung down below the pan. The Ranchero was a freakin' mess. . . It took twice as long to clean that one. _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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