CB 044 Super Pro or CB 044 CNC Wedge Port?

[Brian_e]

Here are the numbers in the newest CB ad,

Ultra Mag Plus; intake volume 82cc , and flows 177cfm
Mini Wedge; intake volume 77cc, and flows 194.5cfm
044 Super Pro; intake volume 75cc, and flows 210cfm
Wedge port; intake volume 81cc, and flows 205cfm

By the numbers, the Super Pro has the smallest intake (more airspeed) and the best CFM. Sounds like it should be a killer on the street. I wonder if they have done a matched big beef intake yet? Maybe Pat D. could chime in. I am sure he has built a few engines with the new Super Pro.

Brian

[mark tucker]

[tezer71]

And where did you get the bp manifolds?

[vocherro24]

well it looks like both the CB heads are a little too much head for my CAM so I'm going with custom heads and port matched manifolds from Jim Behrens. When I upgrade my CAM on the next rebuild I'll def go for some Super Pro's. Thanks for all the help!
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1967 Beetle Street/Strip
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[turbo2go]

I'm not sure you can get away with running ratio rockers on that cam. I would call Web-Cam and see what they have to say.
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[SamT]

[vocherro24]

that's what the motor was originally running, it could be the wrong info on the part. would it be worth the extra couple hundred bucks to upgrade to an FK8 or something similar, this project has already blown the budget and I just wanted to make it work with the CAM it has but now I'm not so sure
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2332cc w/ dual 48 EMPI EPC's

[baked beetle]

an fk-8 is like $80 from CIP.
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[SamT]

If your gonna swap cams, I would look at FK45 or fk46

[mark tucker]

i think the supers or the minis would be just right. as for the bp intakes I dont remember where, but they were new in the package.I think they have a D cast into them on a runner.there much thicker than the empi stuff&2x as heavy.

[RIS]

Here's how the CNC 044 Super Pro match up to the standard CB offset manifolds:

Getting some Big Beef ones and hand porting them to match.
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[tezer71]

Tanks for the picture ris!
i was thinking on baying the standard CB offset manifolds!but that is alot of welding to mach them to the heads!

the carb linkage i got from before is made to suit offset manifolds,oh well then i guess i sell what i have,and bay new manifolds and linkage that will suit the straight pro style big beef manifolds!

[RIS]

Didn't get a chance to post these earlier, CB part #1423:

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[_NandoO_]

Hello my friends, i'm from Brazil and i'm thinking to bye a CBperformance head for meu VW beetle with has a 2276cc motor with w130 cam.

I am in doubt choose between HEAD which, I am among these four options:

Cylinder Heads - 044™ Super Pro
Cylinder Heads - 044 CNC Mini Wedge Port
Cylinder Heads - 044 CNC Wedge Port
Cylinder Heads - 044 CNC Ultra Wedge Port

I'm just thinking of changing the command to a some FK line and rocker to someone 1.4

Which head would be better to me?
Thanks for all.

[wildman1]

So the Super Pros would create more overall HP/TQ than a set of Oval Ports? (Ultra Mag Plus)

84x94
5.5"
44x37.5 [i]Super Pros vs. Ultra Mags[/i]
FK45/1.4's
9.5:1CR
48 Dells 40 vents
1 3/4" merge
12.5lbs. FW
MSD

Would that be a fun street engine? hmm?

[andy198712]

[KopfenJager]

I was looking at going with either mini wedges or super pro's with the CB 2246 Camshaft. 314 adv Dur and 260 Dur @ 0.050 .513 lift with 1.25's. I emailed CB but havn't got a response yet. This is going in my sandrail with a close ratio gear box and 10-1cr. Here are some of the specs.

1200lbs sand sprite rail

002 trany (built by bill Kenny) with,
5.38RP
3.78 1st
2.46 2nd
1.78 3rd
1.318 4th
33" STU 16.50 paddles full cup

engine is,
AS41 case.
76mmX94mm CB crank, AA SlipperSkirt B pistons, total seal rings .40 deck.
12lb lightend flywheel.
CB unitech rods 5.5".
44IDF's 36mm vents, 60 idles, 200airs,160mains F11 emulsion tubes, 2" velocity stacks.
CB's 28mm ultrlight lifters. (75grams Vs 105grams stock and 95grams perf lifters)
racing pushrod tubes
CB straight cut gears.
CB power pully.
1-5/8 tri-mil exhaust with flowmaster.
009 dist Bosh blue coil compu fire points, C 6500rpm Rev Limiter.
external oil cooler.
CB maxi 2 pump
fully balanced. (pistons and rods weigh the same, crank and flywheel balanced)

I'm looking for around 150-165Hp. CB has 154hp with there dynoed 2109 with cnc round ports,here is a link to there dyno charts. http://www.cbperformance.com/dyno/dynocharts.html
What do you guys think?

[ALB]

I find it interesting that the 2 times they use that cam in their dyno pages (2109 and 2180) it's paired with round ports and power peaks at 5500. With that much duration (260' @ 0.050") both motors should go another 1000 rpm, which tells me they're overcammed (or there's not enough intake port volume). You could make the same power with 10' less duration.

Either head will work well here; I would go with the Super Pro's (better airspeed) and ask CB about using the 2246 with 1.4 rockers, to get the most out of those heads. With .575" lift you'll get a fair bit more than 165 hp. Make sure the heads are set up for that much lift. You might find the 44's need slightly bigger vents to get the most out of it. In your rail this motor will be a blast!

As usual, just my 2 1/2 cents (I'm Canadian, eh). Al
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[KopfenJager]

Nice. I just heard back from CB and they said that in such a lightweight car to run the super pro. It's always nice to pose the same question to two different groups and get the same answer. So super pro's it is.

I just take the cam as one of those parts that works with many different combos. Some engine combos work bettter than others and when you find a sweet spot things just fall together. Maybe a cam with less duration didn't make the same power on the top end and likewise a bigger cam mite have loss a lot of low end. IDK. Maybe they just had lot of em and needed to use them, lol.

CB and most of these guys on Samba know way more about engine building and tuning than I do, So I tend to listen. Sometimes I don't like what I hear or who and how I hear it from, but I generaly in the end I listen.

[EvilleT]