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frankthetank81
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 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:01 pm Post subject: 12 Volt Conversion |
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So I have looked on here a lot, but still have questions.
1.) Besides So Cal Imports, is there any other place that offers a complete conversion kit?
2.) What is a fixed alternator stand? And does my 59 have that? On the kits that So Cal has, it says it will not work if you have that.
3.) There is mention that the fuel pump might have to be changed do to a clearence issue, but fuel pump is on the complete oppisite side from the generator that is in there now. So that I am a bit confused, so if some one could clearify that one, that would be great. |
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Jon65
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like your engine is still a 36 hp. So, 1st off, the 12 volt conversion kits that you are talking about won't work with your motor.
Now, to answer your questions about the kit:
A fixed generator stand is when the generator stand is part of the engine case. Like what 36 hp motors have (see photo).
2nd, the thing about the fuel pump clearance issue, they are talking about 40hp and later motors which have the fuel pump in between the generator and distributor. If you convert from a generator to an alternator, you would need to get a fuel pump that is leaned away from the alternator so it can clear it.
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The 36 horse engines had a "fixed" generator stand. It was cast as one piece into the cranck case half. When the 40 horse engines came out the generator stand was a seperate piece that bolted to the crank case.
So depending on your engine, you may or may not have a fixed generator stand. Your original 59 engine would have been a 36 horse with fixed stand. But if it has been upgraded, you probably have a non-fixed stand.
The back side (back of car) of the alternator is a lot bigger around then the generator. So even though the fuel pump is on the other side, if you have a 40 horse or newer engine, it can be in the way of the larger alternator.
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frankthetank81
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The car is all original, nothing has been touched from a modification standpoint. So am I SOL when it comes to converting it to 12 volt? |
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frankthetank81
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| So there is no option out there for a fixed generator stand? |
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Jon65
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| frankthetank81 wrote: | | So there is no option out there for a fixed generator stand? |
This, I honestly am not sure of. As far as I know, there isn't a option for a 12 volt conversion for a fixed stand motor.
If there is, someone else will probably chime in with more information for you.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Your option is a hard to find and expensive 12 volt Porsche generator used on some 356's and 912's.
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Thanks drscope. I used a 12V generator from a flat 4 Porsche once for a conversion in the mid 70's on a '58. Couldn't remember the model of that Porsche. Believe mine came out of a 356C. I'd hate price something like that. Is the 6V giving you a lot of trouble? If you truly have an (mostly) original '59, I wouldn't touch a thing!
I don't know if you can still buy 8-volt batteries, but I had a '50 Dodge panel truck a few decades ago which used an 8-V battery to. The regulator had obviously been turned up to keep the battery going, and the truck loved the extra spin provided by the 8-V battery. Lights were very bright, too. The truck was an old RH drive US Postal Service truck. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I'll trade you my running 1960 40 hp with non-fixed gen stand! (if your 36 hp is running and complete)
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6 volt is fine but, I have/had every intention of putting a system in it. I am pretty big into music in all my rides. The 6 volt battery died and since it is winter I thought this would be as good as time as any to convert. And please no one mention that Sony amp as an alternative. While that is pretty nifty, that would not even come close to satisfying my needs for audio.
I guess for now after looking into this, I'm just gonna put a new 6 volt battery in it. If I knew this prior I wouldn't have bought the car. Needless to say I'm pretty disappointed that the VW aftermarket does not have a solid and economical solution for this. |
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You should definately get that car sold to someone who is not going to put holes into it to put in a 'system'
My other suggestion is You should just keep being pretty big into music if your other 'rides' 
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| baked beetle wrote: | You should definately get that car sold to someone who is not going to put holes into it to put in a 'system'
My other suggestion is You should just keep being pretty big into music if your other 'rides' |
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| frankthetank81 wrote: | | I'm pretty disappointed that the VW aftermarket does not have a solid and economical solution for this. |
They do. Its the 12 volt Porsche generator. It will do exactly what you want it to do. It's just not something that you are going to spend $25 on at the local junk yard.
The issue is that your taste for technology is 54 years newer then the car. You can't blame VW or the car for that. What you want was the stuff of dreams and science fiction movies when that car was built.
The Porsche generators are out there. Expect to pay in the $250 range when you find one, which in comparrison to a modern car really isn't that bad. What do think an alternator goes for on a 2012 Jetta?
Be aware, the 912 used 2 different 12 volt generators. You need the EARLY one. I''m not sure about the year break down on the 912, but the easy one to find is going to be the same as the 12 volt VW which is too big around.
On the other hand a lot of guys simply install a 12 volt battery under the other side of the back seat and run their technology off of that. You will have to charge it up every few days, but it is an alternative to converting an original car over to 12 volts.
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| drscope wrote: | | frankthetank81 wrote: | | I'm pretty disappointed that the VW aftermarket does not have a solid and economical solution for this. |
They do. Its the 12 volt Porsche generator. It will do exactly what you want it to do. It's just not something that you are going to spend $25 on at the local junk yard.
The issue is that your taste for technology is 54 years newer then the car. You can't blame VW or the car for that. What you want was the stuff of dreams and science fiction movies when that car was built.
The Porsche generators are out there. Expect to pay in the $250 range when you find one, which in comparrison to a modern car really isn't that bad. What do think an alternator goes for on a 2012 Jetta?
Be aware, the 912 used 2 different 12 volt generators. You need the EARLY one. I''m not sure about the year break down on the 912, but the easy one to find is going to be the same as the 12 volt VW which is too big around.
On the other hand a lot of guys simply install a 12 volt battery under the other side of the back seat and run their technology off of that. You will have to charge it up every few days, but it is an alternative to converting an original car over to 12 volts. |
I am not looking for something in the 25 dollar range, 250 is more than fine, and yea My wife drives a 2008 Jetta Wolfsburg, i woud imagine based on other things that i have had to replace on it, that 250 would be the going rate for an alternator for that thing. |
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Edited: Sorry, I was going to link you to the Sony 6v amp
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Do a search for 'Wayne 6 volt amp' here on thesamba. Lots of good feedback in the threads from people using it for running modern systems in a 6 volt. Also a lot of discussion in the threads about creative ways to integrate the system without permanently altering the car.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Seeing as you just need to jump your voltage up from 6V to 12V for the purpose of a 12V sound system a cheap step-up inverter will work fine...
Another possibility is asking your local motor guy -the guy who rebuilds generators, if he can rewind your existing 6V gen to put out 12V... This might just be the path of least resistance...
BTW, if you do convert, leave your 6V starter motor in... It will be just fine...
The 12V wiper motor is a must or the 12V will beat the windshield outta the car... lol...
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frankthetank81
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Yea i have no intention of hacking the car up, every stock thing that i take off of it i am keeping. If i do put a system in it, it will not be seen.
I have read that some alternator shops(if any exist anymore) can rewind it to 12 volt?
I am all for keeping it looking stock back there in the engine comparment if/when converting to 12v |
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