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thunderhead289 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:12 pm Post subject: where is the best place to buy an engine kit |
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so my girlfriend just purchased a 69 beetle for 1000 that is in really good shape as in no rust holes and drivetrain is all there. im pretty good with mechanicals, im thunderhead289 on youtube.
so I buy most of my american kits through northern but they do not have anything vw. I was hoping that you gents would know where I could order one from. im looking for a full rebuild kit at a good price.
any help or advice would be greatly appreciated! |
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Brian Samba Moderator
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sb001 Samba Member
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:40 am Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
MidAmerica Motorworks is close to your location and has rebuild kits: |
The second worst vendor you can deal with. The only one worse is GEX.
Buy from a "engine builder". They'll sell you the parts they would use. Yes it costs more but you get parts that are inspected and will work. Not parts taken out of shipping crates and sent to you without ever being looked at. _________________ Glenn
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
The second worst vendor you can deal with. The only one worse is GEX.
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I'll take your word on that then-- as I said I had no idea about their quality- the fact that they don't list any brand names in their kits made me wonder. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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gt1953 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Scout your region for a good air cooled vw engine builder. Check them out real good. Check with local vw clubs in your region. Research is well worth the time. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
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BWD Samba Mailman
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:36 am Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
The second worst vendor you can deal with. The only one worse is GEX.
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I'll take your word on that then-- as I said I had no idea about their quality- the fact that they don't list any brand names in their kits made me wonder. |
What a tool, talking out of your ass, again! _________________ BWD
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vamram Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:11 am Post subject: |
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BWD wrote: |
sb001 wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
The second worst vendor you can deal with. The only one worse is GEX.
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I'll take your word on that then-- as I said I had no idea about their quality- the fact that they don't list any brand names in their kits made me wonder. |
What a tool, talking out of your ass, again! |
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thunderhead289 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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so no one has any good engine kit suppliers? great. . .
btw thanks for the book link to amazon. I was hoping I could find something like that. |
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cseay1 Samba Member
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talljordan Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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I used CIP, don't use the preassembled kit. The kit comes with shit seals. Assemble the kit yourself and get the elring seals.
My engine runs fine, I got upgraded lifters too and the AA P&Cs. Didn't replace my crank, rods, or cam. _________________ 1972 Super Beetle, Parked until adequate restoration funding is acquired in restoration!
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thunderhead289 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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gt1953 wrote: |
Scout your region for a good air cooled vw engine builder. Check them out real good. Check with local vw clubs in your region. Research is well worth the time. |
im actually a pretty accomplished small block ford and chevy engine builder so I was planning to do it myself as I have correct and clean methods. I just need the kit. im amazed they are so hard to come across seeing as how there are so many vw's out there.
sorry about the sarcasm in my previous post, the website just decided to update. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Like I said, talk to a engine builder.
Aircooled.net or Black line or CPR are who I'd call.
Forget all that v8 stuff. Aircooled VW's are a different animal. _________________ Glenn
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cseay1 Samba Member
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scrivyscriv Samba Electrician
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ok so you can GET an "engine rebuild kit" if you want... But until you break down the engine you have, inspect and measure your goods, you won't know what you really NEED to get.
You can go all the way.. new everything.. balance your spinning parts.. machine everything that needs it.. dyno the engine.. and spend upwards of 8-10k$.
Or.. measure everything.. figure out what's in spec, what's on the edge, and what is out-of-spec.. and take care of business on a part-by-part basis. Turn and/or polish the crank, new bearings all around, new cam and lifters, rebuilt heads, gasket kit, resurface the flywheel, get the case align bored and thrust checked/cut, and a set of new pushrod tubes - that's normal for what I would say is about 80% of the build threads here (Also they say 58-1/2% of all statistics are made up on the spot). Don't skip the engine balancing.
Aircooled.net has tons of FREE info on all of their parts listings and they will send you very informative emails regarding any educated questions you have. Wolfsburg West is a great place to buy parts. Mid-America, with respect to the above poster recommending them, is just an expensive Chinese-part reseller who can't keep advertised parts in stock, and I wouldn't even recommend their car covers to you. (just saying)
CIP1 I haven't used but it's a mixed bag from what I see posted here. EIS Econo International Supply has good parts.. and lastly Bus Depot has average parts and a very informative website(they are really slow.. the website, and shipping both).
That's my $.02 from someone who is trying to make a rebuild happen in the next two months.. I've been collecting parts, researching vendors, thread-lurking, asking a ton of stupid questions, and reading reading reading... Bentley VW book, Wilson engine book, even the Hayne's 1600 transporter book.
EIS Econo International Supply
Bus Depot
Mid America Motorworks
CIP1
Wolfsburg West
Aircooled.net
Where to buy the Bentley book
Where to buy the Tom Wilson VW engine book _________________ Robert in Memphis
Dünkelgrügen 1967 Java Green bug thread
Engine rebuild thread
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thunderhead289 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2014 Posts: 30 Location: iowa
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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scrivyscriv wrote: |
Ok so you can GET an "engine rebuild kit" if you want... But until you break down the engine you have, inspect and measure your goods, you won't know what you really NEED to get.
You can go all the way.. new everything.. balance your spinning parts.. machine everything that needs it.. dyno the engine.. and spend upwards of 8-10k$.
Or.. measure everything.. figure out what's in spec, what's on the edge, and what is out-of-spec.. and take care of business on a part-by-part basis. Turn and/or polish the crank, new bearings all around, new cam and lifters, rebuilt heads, gasket kit, resurface the flywheel, get the case align bored and thrust checked/cut, and a set of new pushrod tubes - that's normal for what I would say is about 80% of the build threads here (Also they say 58-1/2% of all statistics are made up on the spot). Don't skip the engine balancing.
Aircooled.net has tons of FREE info on all of their parts listings and they will send you very informative emails regarding any educated questions you have. Wolfsburg West is a great place to buy parts. Mid-America, with respect to the above poster recommending them, is just an expensive Chinese-part reseller who can't keep advertised parts in stock, and I wouldn't even recommend their car covers to you. (just saying)
CIP1 I haven't used but it's a mixed bag from what I see posted here. EIS Econo International Supply has good parts.. and lastly Bus Depot has average parts and a very informative website(they are really slow.. the website, and shipping both).
That's my $.02 from someone who is trying to make a rebuild happen in the next two months.. I've been collecting parts, researching vendors, thread-lurking, asking a ton of stupid questions, and reading reading reading... Bentley VW book, Wilson engine book, even the Hayne's 1600 transporter book.
EIS Econo International Supply
Bus Depot
Mid America Motorworks
CIP1
Wolfsburg West
Aircooled.net
Where to buy the Bentley book
Where to buy the Tom Wilson VW engine book |
thanks for the awesome response. I generally do not reuse parts like cams and bearings when I build. but everything else I have no problem with. what about these guys, china? http://www.kustom1warehouse.net/1600cc_Engine_Rebuild_Kits_for_VW_Volkswagen_p/enginekit1600.htm |
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BWD Samba Mailman
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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thunderhead289 wrote: |
scrivyscriv wrote: |
Ok so you can GET an "engine rebuild kit" if you want... But until you break down the engine you have, inspect and measure your goods, you won't know what you really NEED to get.
You can go all the way.. new everything.. balance your spinning parts.. machine everything that needs it.. dyno the engine.. and spend upwards of 8-10k$.
Or.. measure everything.. figure out what's in spec, what's on the edge, and what is out-of-spec.. and take care of business on a part-by-part basis. Turn and/or polish the crank, new bearings all around, new cam and lifters, rebuilt heads, gasket kit, resurface the flywheel, get the case align bored and thrust checked/cut, and a set of new pushrod tubes - that's normal for what I would say is about 80% of the build threads here (Also they say 58-1/2% of all statistics are made up on the spot). Don't skip the engine balancing.
Aircooled.net has tons of FREE info on all of their parts listings and they will send you very informative emails regarding any educated questions you have. Wolfsburg West is a great place to buy parts. Mid-America, with respect to the above poster recommending them, is just an expensive Chinese-part reseller who can't keep advertised parts in stock, and I wouldn't even recommend their car covers to you. (just saying)
CIP1 I haven't used but it's a mixed bag from what I see posted here. EIS Econo International Supply has good parts.. and lastly Bus Depot has average parts and a very informative website(they are really slow.. the website, and shipping both).
That's my $.02 from someone who is trying to make a rebuild happen in the next two months.. I've been collecting parts, researching vendors, thread-lurking, asking a ton of stupid questions, and reading reading reading... Bentley VW book, Wilson engine book, even the Hayne's 1600 transporter book.
EIS Econo International Supply
Bus Depot
Mid America Motorworks
CIP1
Wolfsburg West
Aircooled.net
Where to buy the Bentley book
Where to buy the Tom Wilson VW engine book |
thanks for the awesome response. I generally do not reuse parts like cams and bearings when I build. but everything else I have no problem with. what about these guys, china? http://www.kustom1warehouse.net/1600cc_Engine_Rebuild_Kits_for_VW_Volkswagen_p/enginekit1600.htm |
Read their spotty feedback here,
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1...p;start=40 _________________ BWD
JHC
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scrivyscriv Samba Electrician
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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That's some crappy feedback... Yikes.
So nobody has asked, why are you wanting to do a full rebuild? Low oil pressure, rod knock, bad end play? Just curious. Sometimes there are good reasons NOT to split a case if you don't have to. _________________ Robert in Memphis
Dünkelgrügen 1967 Java Green bug thread
Engine rebuild thread
If you're ever in the Memphis area, you are welcome to stop by for advice and help. |
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