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busrocker71 · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject: hey all

i might be getting my hands on a nice 67 fasty. i just have a few questions about them though. what is the bolt pattern and lug for a 67?
what kind of suspension do they run? disc brakes or drum? is the motor easy to work on? good handling? what are the negatives of the type 3? thanks for your time...i just want to make sure that im making the right decision!
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R.Rabbit · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:03 pm Post subject:

67 Fastback (unaltered Wink

) would be 4x130 same as 68 up Type I. Disc sup front / drums out back (wider than Type I, and so desired by those guys with the bigger motors) .

The negatives: The front has a torsion bar set-up so it ride better than a Type I and is easier to lower and still rides great. It's wider on the inside than Type I = more room. You get a trunk AND a boot and as for maintenance it's close enough to a Type I that there is no suprises, except maybe when you do the timing, it's a little different but by no means harder Wink

So I guess the negative would be once you drive one, and I mean really drive one you'll be hooked.

A very small replacement/accessory aftermarket (but getting better) Example: fenders, some rubber, floorpans and interior pieces are NLA. Oh and I forgot, No love from the rest of the VW community. Shocked

which can go both ways, hard to find stuff, but when you do it's usually realitively cheap. Wink

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Bobnotch · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject:

R.Rabbit · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:41 pm Post subject:

Bob's right, I never thought I would drive one let alone own one (now 2) until I drove a lowered one (3 up front/2 out back) and it handled like a dream. Very Happy

Had my share of bugs, a crewcab and ghia, but I think I'm hooked on Type IIIs now.

If the wife wouldn't divorce me I'd get a early square too. Wink

Actually believe it or not, she likes the T3 Ghias. Shocked

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Double Trouble · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:38 pm Post subject:

Its not a 67 sunroof is it? ive been looking for one for a while now. No one seems to know of any. Its probably cuz im a bus guy
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brent67 · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject:

Positives: Style....Comfort....Handling....Performance....Comraderie of your fellow Type 3 owners....Beautiful women love them.... Even ugly guys look good behind the wheel....That's the short list, I could go on for hours.....

Negatives: Ummm...maybe the...no...how about the...Dang! Can't think of any, a little help here guys?
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grethi · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:55 pm Post subject:

I think that most of it's been covered by the guys here.

One other negative: shorter roof than the bug/bus; anyone over 6'2" is a little cramped for headroom in the stock seats.

busrocker71 · Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:19 am Post subject:

so it's a 4 lug. i think that might be the only downfall. the fact that there are no nice 4 lug wheels available...at least i don't think there are. i've got a 71 deluxe and i love it. i met this guy who has a 67 fasty who really needs more room for his little boys...car seats and all. he saw my bus one day and i gave him a little tour of it. he asked if i'd trade for his 67 and i wasn't sure only because i had never messed with them. he said he might try to sell and then we'd talk. but the more i think about the damn thing...the more i wanna drive it and see what's up from there. it's real nice. beige with rear pop-out windows. new brakes back and front. dual webbers on a 1600cc. he said that the motor will need rebuilding in the near future. that would be my only worry. i need a reliable vehicle and my bus is just that. so id be kicking myself in the ass if i gave up my trusty bus for a not so trusty fastback. also...i would definately lower it back and front. what is available to do this? drop spindles? pull torsions? click the splines in the back? is it relatively easy to change oil/crank pulley? also...is it a 12v or 6 still? also...is it hard to swap the alternator? i just replaced my gen on the bus with an alternator and it wasn't too bad. another question...is adjusting the valves as easy on a t3 as it is on a t1/2? sorry about all these questions everyone! i appreciate all of this help you all are giving me.
thanks again...
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brent67 · Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:14 am Post subject:

NO nice 4x130 wheels? I beg to differ! Check the gallery here on the Samba. There is an article on wheels in a recent HVW's or Trends, can't remember which. Here is a link to a slide show for type 3's. The 4x130 pattern is shared by post'67 bugs/ghias as well so anything that works on them....you get the idea. you just have to be careful agout wheel offsets/tire size when you lower. Lower by adjusting torsions both front and rear. Rear the same as bug, front is a snap and you don't lose ride/handling up front like you do in type 1's, depending on how low you go. If it's in as nice a condition as you say. I'd jump on it. Post above mentioned lack of headroom, don't know about that either as I'm 6'5" and have no problem in my Square. 12 volt in '67. aftermarket type pulley arrangements can not be used as the pulley/cooling fan are a unit. Tune up is no more dificult than T1/T2. Comes woth generator stock, there are alternators that can be swapped in.

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Bobnotch · Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:24 am Post subject:

Well, lets see how this will shake out. Yeah, you're limited on 4 lug wheel choices, but you can have the drums and rotors redrilled for other patterns like Porsche or a 4 on a 100 pattern (can't do the wide5 without spending a bunch of money).

A 67 will be 12 volt, and the DDB is working on an alternator conversion. You can't use a bug alt, as it won't fit (the one end is too large).

The type3 long block is just like a bug, ghia or up to 71 bus engine, and shares internal parts. The case is a little different in that it uses a different oil dip stick set up. Valve adjustments are the same as a bug. In fact my Notch has a 73 bug motor in it that had it's cooling system converted to that of a type3. Oil changes are like a bug too.

As for lowering, the front is just like the rear, splined (on both ends) torsion bars. You just remove the lower trailing arm and re-set it to lower. More than 2 splines though require shorter shocks (up front).

A Fastback with working pop out windows is really nice (ask my wife!). You really just want to try and keep the the seals in good shape as they are NLA (only draw back to the pop outs).

Mechanical parts are still available, and the DDB can supply ALL your sheet metal needs. I hope this helps.
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Bobnotch · Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:36 am Post subject:

busrocker71 · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:01 pm Post subject:

so i went to check out the 67 fasty and it was okay. my bus was in better mechanical condition. the fasty had rust pretty bad in the back seat floor and the dash was cracked. the interior was also not too great. the main thing is though is that it leaks. the window seals are all new but water still drips onto the clutch pedal when it rains. also it leaks from the rear window on the right bottom corner. water collects there and starts to pour in. the first leak though is what has me worried. the owner has no clue where it's coming in from. now with the motor...it has bad compression. i guess it's too high...it's what the mechanic told him. he had the motor rebuilt about 2 years ago and it just hasn't run good since then. it will need a definate rebuild probably in the next few summers. also...the motor doesn't leak but the tranny does. it's the orignial transmission and it's got around 230k on it. so...i'll probably need a new tranny soon. the exterior is pretty nice tough. had a macco paint job about 2 years ago and it looks okay. the brakes just got a full service 2 weeks ago and they feel pretty good. this is the major factor in his decision...the job cost him around $800.
now the good...it runs okay...shifts nice...motor is dry...tires are new...new battery...brakes...and still has a lot of the og stuff...black and yellow cali plates...trunk and front area is nice....so ...now what to do...thanks again guys.
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vujade · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:46 am Post subject:

its sounds like all the good stuff is there.

all you really need to worry about are the window seals and getting the motor checked out. That seems incidental if the body is good and all the other mechanicals check out.
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R.Rabbit · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:24 pm Post subject:

busrocker71 · Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:33 pm Post subject:

so...i've ultimately come to the conclusion that im not going to go through with the trade for the fasty. the guy i was trading with was trippin about spending all the money on the brakes. i guess after talking to his wife wanted to trade plus $400. yeah no. if anything he should be giving me $400 to replace the motor and tranny. the only thing my bus needs is a new front windshield. anyway...i guess it's for the better anyway now that these storms are moving into southern california! after driving it though...i do want a type three...maybe my next buy. definately. anyway...just wanted to thank you all for you help.
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69sback · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:55 am Post subject:

good call on keeping the bus.

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