The Porsche 356 movement and all 356 Registry Discussion

IMPI · Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:06 am Post subject:

Hi what is really bothering me is the fact that there are now three discussions going on about this issueand two of them have the highest hit count in that specific forum the rest of the registrys posts hardly get hits anymore...........
BTW the Speedster replica forum doesnt even notice this LOL

malibubill · Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject:

EverettB · Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:50 pm Post subject:

Thank you.
I will check it out.
I can understand if that calendar year involved paying someone a large 1-time fee involving work on the new web site.

The $15K is listed as "Advertising - Commission".
My opinion is that amount should be questioned by the active club members.
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356uk · Samba Member Joined: October 01, 2004 Posts: 83

What a shame!

My membership has just come to an end over at the 356 reg. I just went to go on line and found out even as a past member I'm locked out. Until I pay. Well to be honest I don't want to pay again really. The mag is good yeah but if I had to pay for access to the forum say $10 then yeah ok. But $50 for us non US owners I'm not that fussed. So letting it go... Sorry.

We have seen this sort of thing happen in the UK where that section of a major club just died over a few months. But the same old older group carried on. But over time those older members got less and less in number. Then new clubs started and well the rest is history.

It is a shame really. Over time it will divide young and older owners of 356s. That sort of divide takes years to sort out. Older members or leaders just don't get the internet, they think they do. Infact they tell you they know it all as they worked for the big internet companies, but all their work was with corporate clients not real people. There's always some one wanting to be the main man in these large clubs.... Leave him to his vision and simply start a new club.
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356uk · Samba Member Joined: October 01, 2004 Posts: 83

I've just rembered why I stopped going on the forum there, 356reg. I was doing some metal work on the car and I started a thread of right I'm getting on with it.... Looking for inspiring posts from members to help me along. Yes Jim Kellogg chipped in having read his book but some guy Charles just started to have a go at what I was doing!

Looking at his pictures on his threads showed scanned photos from the 80s of a car he did. Quite possibly the only car he did but felt 30 years later he had the right to RAM his ideas down my throat. The car has not been worked on since then Totaly lost interest some 5 years later.

I was thinking about starting up again, not too many PreA's round here.
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jjjjack · Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject:

mpribanic · Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:18 pm Post subject:

356uk · Samba Member Joined: October 01, 2004 Posts: 83

Oh so I wasn't alone then. It did take the wind out my sails to be honest that and a issue with another Porsche club. I've done nothing to my cars since really. I sold one a few months back even.

Well may be its time to get back out there. I was always trying to push others to do their cars and didn't do my own ... Got that mix wrong hey.

I'll tell you what in the next month or so I'll dig out the pre a post up a pic and try and get inspired again. It's been 10 years in bits Smile

As for Charles well I'm sorry he sold his car but his comments where really not very helpful. Karma and all that.....
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jjjjack · Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject:

Wonderful! That's great to hear....looking forward to the pics.
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356uk · Samba Member Joined: October 01, 2004 Posts: 83

Ok that's a date.. as such in a non manly way lol.

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photo taken by GT Porsche mag some years back when they popped round. It's now been signed by Ernst Piech the dash board has any way. As i worked on his house he kindly signed both my 912 and my pre a. Nice guy. His son is a keen 356 er. Not met him yet would like to.
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356uk · Samba Member Joined: October 01, 2004 Posts: 83

overrestored · Samba Member Joined: December 24, 2005 Posts: 553

I don't think there is a decline of the 356 movement. I think there is a shift. I have owned them for 20 years and have seen the prices evolve quite a bit... and that has made them too expensive for entry level car people.

there is a decline in the number of old timer owners... they are a dying breed.

This is sad... and it means things will change... but I don't see it as bad or good really. I suppose it is only bad because many of us remember when they were cheap and you could drive the crap out of them without thinking of your wallet or your insurance man.

As a comparison... I bought my first delux microbus in 1980 for 2000 dollars and drove it daily for over 10 years. It was driven on the beach at Pismo... loaded with stuff to go to the dump... filled with scruffy skateboarders, abused heartily and loved greatly. It replaced a standard micro I bought for 300 dollars in 1977. But that is what they were worth then. They were old hippy busses and nobody cared about them except for Jeff Walters and the SOTO crew.

that micro would be worth about 80k+ today. no high school kid could ever dream of owning one.

So the market for microbusses is no longer what it was either.

Same goes for split beetles. I bought a standard zwitter sunroof for 5k and painted it nicely for 900 dollars and drove the crap out of it for years.

It got parked at the supermarket... it was used to haul lumber on the roofrack... bags of soil from the garden shop... etc. It was parked with the doors unlocked and just left in the parking lot like a honda... just a used old beetle.

Nobody does this with a split sunroof anymore.

It is simply the evolution of a car's rarity and desireability I suppose.

I don't like the fact that my 356 is rare and desirable. I preferred it when it was just a scrappy old 356 that nobody paid attention to. Now it is rare and coveted. But it is the same car.

These days... in order to have that same incognito fun as you used to get from a 356... well... to be honest I can't think of a car except maybe a hammered 911sc or Carrera that is cheap and affordable and fun that nobody really cares about any more.

So... the end of the 356 movement... No. The end of the vw era... no... they are just changing from drivers to collectables. Sad... but it happens to almost everything eventually.

want a cheap fun bus... buy a vanagon. want a cheap fun sports car... buy an 911SC or a (cough) boxster. Want a cool old car... buy an 80's mercedes wagon or 70's CE Coupe.

It is just evolution in my mind... the end of an era... yes... but also the beginning of a new era.
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Nubby · Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject:

Well said

bullethead · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:22 pm Post subject:

As a long-time 356 Registry member it seems to me the shift has been where discussion of the club has gone: to the Samba!
A thread this inclusive and long with so many salient and accurate posts wouldn't seem possible on the Registry forum.

Everett, thanks for creating an alternate place for 356ers to congregate.
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ACMag · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject:

I'm too young (LOL) to know if there's a decline in the 356 movement - because I've only owned a project '62 B T6 for a couple of years. I have observed the various 356 models from afar over countless years but have always been heavily involved with aircooled VWs from year dot. Still learning. Still got a handful of VWs close by.

However, since Aircooled Classics - VW & Porsche magazine came along I have to say I'm delighted (not shocked) by how accepting many 356 owners are of the VW side of things. At my local VW meet there is always a good turnout of 356s (where do they come from?) and I've spoken to many 356 / 911 owners who also run VWs. Sure, some Porsche guys are specialists in their field (and earn a decent crust from it!) and to venture outside of that is a whole lot of new knowledge to grasp, and financially what would be the point in that?

I hope Aircooled Classics magazine plays a role in celebrating the relationship between the different types. Personally, what happens at a political level bores me. I'm more interested in the cars than the snobbery.

Paul
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justacoupe · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject:

FYI, Bill Sampson posted a well written thread regarding the Porsche 356 Trustee's decision to "dismiss" (or whatever) three forum moderators.

Minutes after that posting was made... it was deleted by the new moderator (or other person with administrative rights).

So.. I posted this on the Registry's forum (it will no doubt be removed... so I'm posting it here on the "Open & Free" Samba 356 forum):

I noticed that Bill Sampson posted a thread in response to George Dunn's announcement that we have new moderators for this forum. Apparently, three guys were released (or dismissed... or whatever). OK... they didn't say that they dismissed them... but they are being replaced, in any event.

Well... they quickly deleted Bill's posting. How convenient. Is the message that no member can express an opinion not in line with the Trustee's stated policies?

So, Barry Brisco, Glenn Ring and Brian Kelly have all been "relieved" of their duties, one way or the other.

How dare any of those guys voice an opinion not in line with the Trustee's misguided decision to close the forum to non-members? What were they thinking?

This turn of events saddens me greatly. Members cannot express concerns about the decisions of the club's leaders?

Instead of a welcoming, open organization... we are now a "pay for play" group. Never mind that you'd like to chat a bit with current members before deciding to join the club: now, pay your $ and take your chances.

If you are going to volunteer as a moderator on this forum, you better be ready to drink the Koolaid and NEVER voice any personal opinion not in line with the Trustee's stated policies.

This is America? How sad.

Just my opinion. Since I am not a moderator, I don't suppose I can be fired for expressing that opinion. But... wait! I just realized that I can be fired as a member. Yes... as a member.

A provision in our by-laws: "Any member may be suspended by a two-thirds vote of the Trustees for infractions of the 356 Registry rules or regulations or for action inimical to the general objectives or best interests of the 356 Registry."

Yes.. that means any 356 Registry Member who expresses an opinion contrary to the expressed policies of the Trustees... can be kicked out of the club. So, I am supposed to never express a genuine concern regarding their actions? What happened to "freedom of speech?"

Think about that the next time you are asked to respond to an opinion survey on this site. Or, when you pen a new posting to the forum. Apparently it is a "get in line" or "get out" situation now.

How sad, indeed.

Regards,

Bill

Glenn · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject:

Give them a few minutes to see it and poof, it will be gone.
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Glenn · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject:

It's gone.

You can thank Cliff or Chris since they are both the only ones online.

When we would delete a topic, we'd give the OP a mail explain why. I guess those curiosities are gone. The "Empire" doesn't explain itself.

I'll give it till tomorrow for you to be voted off the island.
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MoPor · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:11 pm Post subject:

I came here first before starting a new post at the 356 Registry (or should I say the RPM Auto Books forum?). I couldn't believe that no one had said anything and now I know why. Glenn and Barry did a fine job and I applaud them for taking a stand for what they truly thought best about the club. That took balls and this is how they are thanked. My ars is a little burned over this. I just told Barry a few days ago that I was done with that forum and wanted all my posts deleted as I did not wanted to be associated with a few of those guys running the show over there. Arrogance at its peak but I guess the "people should pay for their knowledge" attitude is not just one or two individual's attitudes but the Trustees attitudes too. Despicable.

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