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malibubill 
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Below is what I had posted at the 356 Registry Forum that Bill Waite mentioned earlier over here on the Samba.
The "tag" line after my name is my (I hope) humorous reference to the five or so years I served as the email talk list monitor for the Registry, an experience in fact mostly enjoyable which consisted of few needs for "discipline" and a lot of computer/email/internet assistance, some of which I was able to provide.
The "subject line" in my quickly deleted post at the Registry was a direct quote from Trusty Skirmants to a departing member: "Don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out" - hardly the sort of temperament/attitude desired from a club "leader."
I quit as moderator a month or so after the switch in 2008 because Chuck House demanded on behalf of the Registry that I do things that I felt were wrong. Right or wrong I was a "company man" and didn't feel like disobeying a direct "order" even though the order was just plain wrong. Chuck explained: "At Intel we say disagree but commit." Well, the registry is just a car club and I certainly didn't want any part of corporate culture nor, in an unpaid position which at switchover amounted to well more than a full time job did I wish to commit to something that was just plain wrong. The attitude of the Trustys and their $300,000 per year (gross) editor/publisher remains the same today - sad.
One long time member's membership lapses at the end of the month just like mine. Neither of us will renew. He is even talking of selling his car. I've thought about it - getting old and facing a poorly funded retirement (entirely my fault) is the big impetus but removal of some of the fun I had for ten years with the car of my high school dreams IS a factor.
Again, thanks Glenn, Brian, Barry - I know well of the time and effort you put in and thanks to Everett for providing this outlet.
| Bill Sampson wrote: | The Subject Line is a quote from a Trusty to a member in what we're asked to regard as just a car club. Despite that quote's clear violation of the forum rules (to say nothing of the lack of judgment of the poster) it still appears on the forum - a matter for which one might justifiably question the moderators for not suspending the posting Trusty from the forum.
However, it appears that the Trustys have now fired two of those moderators, Glenn Ring and Barry Brisco for having the gall to express their own opinions about a decision made without member consultation in a smoke filled room which nevertheless to me has some possible merit, that is, to exclude non-members of the Registry from posting here. Ultimately I personally disagree with the decision but not vehemently - the Trustys have the right to make that decision once we elect them, for better or for worse and they were duly elected.
Which Trusty or Trustys voted to fire Barry? Which, if any, voted not to fire him?
Which Trusty or Trustys voted to fire Glenn? Which, if any, voted not to fire him?
Which Trusty or Trustys voted to hire Mr. Murray? Which voted against?
Which Trusty or Trustys voted to hire Mr. Toy? Which voted against?
Those who choose to remain subscribers to the magazine may value this information in deciding how to vote in the next election
Bill Sampson, retired herder of methamphetamine addicted kittens in fish stores infested with mice. |
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Steve Heinrichs
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: |
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The key now to saving the Registry is the next Trustee election.
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Wiggy
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Glenn
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve Heinrichs wrote: | The key now to saving the Registry is the next Trustee election.
Steve Heinrichs |
I'll be tossing my name in the "ring".
I'll make sure to send it snail mail and return receipt since we all know the internet can not be trusted to deliver email.
BTW.. I wonder if they would print a full page editorial if we paid for a full page ad 
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Pat KG
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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I just posted this at the 356 registry
A curious thing I just noticed since I last checked about 4 hours ago is that the forum does not list who is on line --names of members and no. of guests. Did someone take that away today? Why?
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Wiggy
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenn wrote: | | Steve Heinrichs wrote: | The key now to saving the Registry is the next Trustee election.
Steve Heinrichs |
I'll be tossing my name in the "ring".
I'll make sure to send it snail mail and return receipt since we all know the internet can not be trusted to deliver email.
BTW.. I wonder if they would print a full page editorial if we paid for a full page ad |
Lol. That would be awesome - but you know there is no way!
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Glenn
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Wiggy wrote: | | Glenn wrote: | | Steve Heinrichs wrote: | The key now to saving the Registry is the next Trustee election.
Steve Heinrichs |
I'll be tossing my name in the "ring".
I'll make sure to send it snail mail and return receipt since we all know the internet can not be trusted to deliver email.
BTW.. I wonder if they would print a full page editorial if we paid for a full page ad |
Lol. That would be awesome - but you know there is no way! |
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8661826
| Quote: | Josh Lafazan wins seat on Syosset school board.
Not just because 18-year-old senior class president Josh Lafazan won while still attending high school, but because he won despite claims that his dad stole absentee ballot records on the eve of the election. |
He's 18 and the sitting board accused his father of stealing absentee ballot records which are public record. They even used the school's automated phone system to call everyone in the district and say he stole the records.
The kid won by a landslide and everyone is pissed that the school used the autodialer which is for emergency only. There will be an investigation.
Never say never. Personally, i'd rather Barry run since he knows the game and the players. And he's be better suited to do something.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Glenn wrote: | | Wiggy wrote: | | Glenn wrote: | | Steve Heinrichs wrote: | The key now to saving the Registry is the next Trustee election.
Steve Heinrichs |
I'll be tossing my name in the "ring".
I'll make sure to send it snail mail and return receipt since we all know the internet can not be trusted to deliver email.
BTW.. I wonder if they would print a full page editorial if we paid for a full page ad |
Lol. That would be awesome - but you know there is no way! |
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8661826
| Quote: | Josh Lafazan wins seat on Syosset school board.
Not just because 18-year-old senior class president Josh Lafazan won while still attending high school, but because he won despite claims that his dad stole absentee ballot records on the eve of the election. |
He's 18 and the sitting board accused his father of stealing absentee ballot records which are public record. They even used the school's automated phone system to call everyone in the district and say he stole the records.
The kid won by a landslide and everyone is pissed that the school used the autodialer which is for emergency only. There will be an investigation.
Never say never. Personally, i'd rather Barry run since he knows the game and the players. And he's be better suited to do something. |
I think it would be rather easy to pull off a coup de etat. I imagine most members don't vote or even pay attention to elections, I know I don't, mainly because it is nothing more than a popularity contest in the past, there were no issues raised. However, this is a pretty big issue and would likely garner more attention. Since the action resulted in a change in policy those who support it will have to defend it, and what is their defense? The disgustingly reactionary idea that everyone who post without paying is a parasite? No matter that it results in less input, fewer chances to attract members, more potential customers and sellers of parts and cars in the classifieds, etc. Of course this is predicated on the basis that these issues can be aired in a forum where the majority can read about it.
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1959 SO-23 Westfalia
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roy mawbey
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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To 356UK,
Just read this thread, as I am new, decided to read some of the postings. I remember 'Charles' as well, suppose you always get someone like this to dampen your enthusiasm just when need someone to help and not hinder.
Your pre-A looks nice to me, well worth while working on. Really hope you decide to do it. Would like to see more photo's of the car.
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Jon Schmid
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:13 am Post subject: The decline of the Porsche 356 movement and my take on it... |
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Hi guys,
New to The Samba as a registree although I've been skimming the car classifieds for a while--my son is interested in getting a bug to keep our two 356's company. Anyway, sad to see a lot of old line Registry contributors bailing due to the new "rules." Good to see you guys here and enjoying yourselves, and along with Bill's comments I want to thank Barry, Glenn, Brian, Bill, and all the other volunteers whose time and dedication made a great contribution to the club; you will be missed but it's our loss. Anyway, enough speechifying; I look forward to hanging out with you all here. 
Best regards to all,
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ensys
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Ring:
As to running for office: I wouldn't count that chicken just yet.
Last Nov. House informed me (I swear I could feel the glee in the email) that my banning meant I was no longer a "Member in Good Standing", making me ineligible to stand for the Dec. elections. Quite a capper to 32 yrs. of support and contribution, yes?
Politically convenient, no?
But don't take my word for it: ask Mr. Brisco; he knows quite a bit about banning.
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Glenn
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| ensys wrote: | Mr. Ring:
As to running for office: I wouldn't count that chicken just yet. |
I guess they were afraid of me since they not only banned me (for no reason) but the membership office received a phone call.
| Quote: | | I received a phone message last week that requested, in no uncertain terms, that I remove you from our database. |
I never made the request so I can only guess that someone in the management of the club did. I have since received a refund of my membership.
So i'm no longer a member.
Richard Nixon would of been proud of these dirty tricks.
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dawerks
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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So if a new 'member' signs up, they are automatically a 'member in good standing'?
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jjjjack
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:31 am Post subject: Re: The decline of the Porsche 356 movement and my take on i |
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| Jon Schmid wrote: | Anyway, enough speechifying; I look forward to hanging out with you all here.
Best regards to all,
Jon |
Welcome Jon!
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justacoupe
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: Porsche 356 Registry Membership Declining? |
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You might be interested in the posting I just made on 356Talk.
http://porsche356registry.org/356talk/15/30156.html?p=162216#p162216
On May 1st, the total number of registry members listed on the website's "Member List" page was 7,232. Today (June 1st) the total number of members listed is 7,126.
One of the stated purposes of the Trustee's decision to close the forum to non-members was to increase the number of paid club members. During the last month, it looks like there has been a decrease of 126 members over the last month.
I remain disappointed in the Trustee's decision to close the forum and classifieds. Thankfully, I can post my opinions here without threat of having the posting deleted.
Regards,
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Wiggy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Great question/feedback.
For those that can't get in...
| Quote: | No one has replied to the posting I made on May 1st. Thought I would post an update, one month later. Perhaps someone with some knowledge on the subject will respond this time.
On May 1st, the total number of registry members listed on the website's "Member List" page was 7,232. Today (June 1st) the total number of members listed is 7,126. Note: you can access this list on the website by selecting the "Membership" tab at the top right of the website and then selecting "356 Registry Member List."
One of the stated purposes of the Trustee's decision to close the forum to non-members was to increase the number of paid club members. During the last month, it looks like we have LOST 126 members.
Curiously, at the bottom of the first page of the 356Talk Forum, the total "members" listed is 8,646. It appears that number is not the number of Porsche 356 Registry members, as it apparently includes "BOTS" (cyber space search engines, etc often seen "lurking" in the list of "members" online at the moment).
The "About the Registry" page still says that the Porsche 356 Registry has "some 8,000 members."
So, these questions remain:
1. Do we have "some 8,000" members or is the real number now 7,126?
2. If the policy to close the forum to non-members was intended to increase membership, is it having the opposite effect? Are we now a group of 7,126 versus 7,232 a month ago?
Regards,
Bill
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malibubill
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Porsche 356 Registry Membership Declining? |
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Hi Bill:
My Registry subscription lapsed due to my non-renewal so I cannot respond over there. My post quoted here on the Samba was deemed "offensive" by Murray when I posted it there and he threatened me with a three month suspension if I was "offensive" again, so, maybe I couldn't post anyway if I am in fact "suspended." Regardless, thanks for the interesting read and review of the numbers. I'm sure you'll get no response from any Trusty although you may possibly join some of the rest of us for being "offensive."
I'll sure miss being able to go to the "Third Coast" event.
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MoPor
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Porsche 356 Registry Membership Declining? |
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| justacoupe wrote: | You might be interested in the posting I just made on 356Talk.
http://porsche356registry.org/356talk/15/30156.html?p=162216#p162216
On May 1st, the total number of registry members listed on the website's "Member List" page was 7,232. Today (June 1st) the total number of members listed is 7,126.
One of the stated purposes of the Trustee's decision to close the forum to non-members was to increase the number of paid club members. During the last month, it looks like there has been a decrease of 126 members over the last month.
I remain disappointed in the Trustee's decision to close the forum and classifieds. Thankfully, I can post my opinions here without threat of having the posting deleted.
Regards,
Bill |
I think you just broke one of their new forum rules
Also, the impact to membership numbers won't be seen until the renewals come up. IIRC mine is in late 2013. Perhaps some of this will blow over by then. Either way, another good 356 forum is needed IMHO.
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Jon Schmid
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: The decline of the Porsche 356 movement and my take on it... |
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All I can say is "wow!" I am amazed that they outright booted the likes of Glenn and Barry out of the Registry, especially after all the time they put in. There's something I'm not getting about all this and it's probably just as well. And thanks for the welcome, Jack--I think I'll stay in the shade over here. 
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Barry Brisco
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:28 am Post subject: Re: The decline of the Porsche 356 movement and my take on i |
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| Jon Schmid wrote: | | All I can say is "wow!" I am amazed that they outright booted the likes of Glenn and Barry out of the Registry, especially after all the time they put in. |
I would like to clarify something. I was dismissed from my Registry website volunteer position (as was Glenn) by George Dunn, Registry President, and my moderator authority was terminated, as was my access to the Registry website "back end" which allowed me to help members with website log in problems and add and edit website technical articles. My Registry membership was not cancelled.
Neither George Dunn nor any Registry Trustee has responded to two emails I sent (the first email was also signed by Gleen and Brian) to all the Trustees that, in a civil and respectful way, stated my reasons for disagreeing with their decision to close 356Talk and the Registry website Classifieds to anyone but paid Registry members. I sent those emails weeks ago in the interest of opening a dialogue with the Trustees on the policy change. I have not yet received a reply.
And now the Trustees have added a new 356Talk rule that prohibits any 356Talk posts about "Matters of policy or inquiries on finances or trustee activity". I regard that as a clear attempt to suppress public discussion about issues that Registry members should be allowed to express their opinion on as long as they do so in a civil manner.
And just to be clear on one more thing that is sometimes misunderstood (based on some posts I have read in this Forum): anyone with an internet connection and a browser can still read 356Talk posts and view the Registry website Classifieds. But they cannot post on 356Talk nor can they respond to a Classifieds ad unless the advertiser has included their contact information in their ad.
Thanks,
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