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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
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I think we need to come up with an official name for the '54 manifold.
To me the center section looks like a pear or a uterus. Perhaps the "lady parts manifold"? |
Ohhhhh-kay.
You're not naming the domed oil cooler though. |
I never thought of it that way. Thanks for pointing that out.... _________________ Chris
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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A good source for information are always the Gute Fahrt magazines.
Just true period pics. There you see the cars and lots of details as they where.
Here is a "whatīs new in 1953" page.
Here "whatīs new in 1954".
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
To me the center section looks like a pear or a uterus. Perhaps the "lady parts manifold"? |
Being from a hockey state, looks more like a nut cup to me. I propose the "nut cup" manifold. |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my, ummm, "Uterus Intake". I now have a great example of each of the intakes, unjacketed K to this one....
I used to think that all of them that I saw were "abused" and the heat risers bent, but I have realized that they were made with bends in the mid section right and left like that. _________________ John Henry
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2348 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
I think we need to come up with an official name for the '54 manifold.
To me the center section looks like a pear or a uterus. Perhaps the "lady parts manifold"? |
Ohhhhh-kay.
You're not naming the domed oil cooler though. |
Sorry John, too late. Called the "curved dash Olds oil cooler" by the late Harry Pellows, (aka 'the maestro') back in the '80's |
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D. Haviland Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:09 am Post subject: |
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late, but I'm going to say 08 02 |
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ZwitterND Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Pervert? Uterus? Nut cup? Ironic terms considering the German definition of "zwitter". _________________ Bill |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Some pics of the intakes that I have.
BTW, I VERY reluctantly sold my original unjacketed K manifold to someone who restored a '46 or '47, and I would very much like to get another one to complete my collection. If anyone has one they could part with, please PM me. Does not have to be perfect but must have heat riser completely intact. I'll pay well for the right intake to complete my collection.
Immediately below, bottom to top: Jacketed K manifold, 25hp; "701" , 25hp, the '53 only "08.02" 25hp; "701E", 36hp; '54-'55 Cold Climate Intake, 36hp.
_________________ John Henry
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:46 am Post subject: |
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That is actually not the cold climate manifold. It is the standard '54-'55 manifold.
The cold climate manifold has a cast riser jacket that is part of the regular jacket.
_________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld
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janerick3 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Don't forget about the short-lived, late '54-early '55, thin-wall, 701B, 36hp manifold
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:23 am Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
That is actually not the cold climate manifold. It is the standard '54-'55 manifold.
The cold climate manifold has a cast riser jacket that is part of the regular jacket. |
I donīt think that one made it into 1955.
I would say it was just on very few cars from december 1953 into spring 1954. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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usariemen wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
That is actually not the cold climate manifold. It is the standard '54-'55 manifold.
The cold climate manifold has a cast riser jacket that is part of the regular jacket. |
I donīt think that one made it into 1955.
I would say it was just on very few cars from december 1953 into spring 1954. |
I somewhat agree with you but the documentation says differently. They are so rare it is hard to comprehend them lasting into '55 but the M1 documents state they they went to April 20 '55 when they were replaced by the 501e that we all know and love. Look at the bottom row, third box from the left.
The '54-'55 manifold was P/N 129 501d and is described as "Jacket below Carburetor Flange"
_________________ Chris
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:38 am Post subject: |
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janerick3 wrote: |
Don't forget about the short-lived, late '54-early '55, thin-wall, 701B, 36hp manifold
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Good point, and I have one of those too. I'll have to take a new picture of them all. and re-order them. _________________ John Henry
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:48 am Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
janerick3 wrote: |
Don't forget about the short-lived, late '54-early '55, thin-wall, 701B, 36hp manifold
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Good point, and I have one of those too. I'll have to take a new picture of them all. and re-order them. |
According to the 1960 M1 the wall thickness was increased to 2mm from engine no.1 718 770 (Jan 1957)
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janerick3 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:39 am Post subject: |
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There are two base part numbers listed in the tech bulletins and parts manuals: (111) 129 501 x, which is probably a kit and 111 129 701 x, which is the manifold itself. The letter suffixes may not necessarily match between the 501 and 701 part numbers, which further adds to the confusion. _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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janerick3 wrote: |
There are two base part numbers listed in the tech bulletins and parts manuals: (111) 129 501 x, which is probably a kit and 111 129 701 x, which is the manifold itself. The letter suffixes may not necessarily match between the 501 and 701 part numbers, which further adds to the confusion. |
At some point between '57 and '60 they changed the 501 to 701. The data lines up so you can use the two interchangeably. The info for the 501e is the same as the 701e between the '57 and '60 documents. It does make it confusing. _________________ Chris
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virtanen Samba Member
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: |
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My biggest question about the '54-'55 manifold is this: What exactly happened? Why do we rarely see them? We know they exist and we have NOS examples and ones on cutaway engines but I can't think of ever seeing one on a car.
There must have been a recall, but why this manifold and not the earlier thin walled manifolds?
We know that they rust out badly but was it worse than the earlier manifolds? My thought is that they rusted the down tube inside the jacket causing bad vacuum leaks which would affect the ability of the engine to run.
I think this because the earlier K manifolds are still fairly plentiful in comparison. They are often found on old cars, both survivors and barn finds. We know that the risers rot out on these manifolds which would let exhaust gas into the engine compartment and then into the passenger compartment when the heat was on.
The replacement part for the K and jacketed K was the zwitter manifold as late as '55 and it had the same thin walls. This was at the same time that the '54-'55 (uterus manifold) was installed in production cars. The fact that the K and zwitter manifolds are still found in the wild and the uterus manifold are not is because the uterus manifolds were recalled for vacuum leaks, not safety issues.
This is all an educated guess. Hopefully someone will find some old documentation at some point to give us the answer. _________________ Chris
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
My biggest question about the '54-'55 manifold is this: What exactly happened? Why do we rarely see them? We know they exist and we have NOS examples and ones on cutaway engines but I can't think of ever seeing one on a car.
There must have been a recall, but why this manifold and not the earlier thin walled manifolds?
We know that they rust out badly but was it worse than the earlier manifolds? My thought is that they rusted the down tube inside the jacket causing bad vacuum leaks which would affect the ability of the engine to run......... |
Here's another one I have. Not only had the left leg rusted through mid section (the right side is very solid), the intake runner tubing inside the enclosure had rusted through badly. There was some very minor perforation in the section of the enclosure that I cut out here. This leads me to believe that they were very prone to rusting inside the enclosure and breaching the intake tubing. My only guess is that moisture was able to collect in there and it was exacerbated by the repeated heating and cooling. My other one of these has the same issue, a breach between the intake runner and enclosure cavity.. but since it is a "museum piece" I won't be cutting it open to see....
Without a doubt, this kind of perforation would make the engine run very badly, if at all.....
_________________ John Henry
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Grant Reiling Samba Slow-Change Artist
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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one of these has the same issue, a breach between the intake runner and enclosure cavity.. but since it is a "museum piece" I won't be cutting it open to see.... . |
OK you "Pervs", next, will we be seeing posts about running Stradivarii through an MRI? <j/k>
Happy Easter, fellow 'pervies' lol
-gr _________________ 1952 Azure Blue 12G (LHD Deluxe 3-fold sunroof Sedan).
"What you really know is possible in your heart is possible.
We make it possible by our will.
What we imagine in our minds becomes our world. Thats just one of many things I have learned from water."
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