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RatCamper
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Location: Australia
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| RatCamper wrote: |
| May I just add that this is applicable to U.S. models only and other variants may be seen elsewhere. |
US and Canada models actually  |
I didn't realise and in all honesty am slightly surprised. |
What surprises me is why the UK and rest of the VW Bus market didn't get one. They're bulletproof when they're running right and maintained. |
We got the type 4. It was an option. We got FI too but I think it was later and a lot rarer. I have personally never seen an FI bus. To put a little perspective on that I used to help out at an ACVW mechanic for fun. A nice side effect was access to tools and massive discounts / freebies. So I've seen a few motors.
Even 10 years ago I had a really hard time finding parts for it.
Worth noting too is that the Australian market seems to be out of synch. I'm assuming it's because they were were ikea buses so the manufacture + shipping + assembly (+ too many / not enough of a part) led to this phenomenon.
For example. my bus (I still feel wrong about calling it that. It was a panelvan, and became a campervan. Where's the bus in that?) as near as I can tell was assembled on 9/75. But it had a 003 and a dual carb 1800 type 4.
None of the wiring diagrams I have match it quite right, but earlier ones seem closer. The steering column and quite a bit of other stuff seems to be '75 whereas other parts seem to be '74. Of course, all this is by U.S. information obtained here.
I find this thread interesting because of the sheer "What's that thing!?" factor, like the smog pump for example. Don't much care for that but I would have loved the pulley and bracket 
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dawie
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Location: Cape Town, South Africa
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In South Africa, the type 4- engined version of baywindow was most popular.
The type 1 version was available optionally as a cheaper alternative, and often used around towns, (low speed limit areas), by state organizations like the railways.
The baywindows and "Vanagon" type 4's here had twin carbs and heat exchangers similar to US 72- 74 type, as there were no emission regulations.
Fuel injection was never available locally on the type 4 engined kombis.
The "Vanagon" was never available locally with the weaker type 1 engine. Initially they had the 2L aircooled, and 1.9 , 2.1 wbx, and Audi 5 cylinder followed later.
The 411 and 412 cars were also locally assembled from ckd kits ex Germany around 1969-1975. The basic version had a 1700 twincarb 68 hp engine, and the fuel injected 1700 80 hp was also available for these cars. |
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vw76westy
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Location: so cal
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| The dip stick hole thing is a mystery. I know the 80-83 CV motor relocated the dip stick but the fan shroud is totally different. Must be off the 914 or one of those. |
porsche type-4's had the dip stick on top
& is the number 1 clue to know if you have a "bus" type-4 engine or a "porsche" type-4 engine
vanogon engines have a different shape and connection for the
breather (or pcv valve as some people call it)
the original dual carbs on 72-74 had slight changes
in the air-cleaner and misc parts, since im a fi kind of guy
does anybody have pics and info of the changes
everything you need to know about the exhaust
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=292923&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
EGR...
72-73 with a 1700 have egr ports on the heads
all the other years do not (i think)
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quote from bay window bus buyers guide........
The Type 4 engine is considered by many to be VW's finest air-cooled motor, |
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secretsubmariner
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| vw76westy wrote: |
| 1975 Kombi wrote: |
| The dip stick hole thing is a mystery. I know the 80-83 CV motor relocated the dip stick but the fan shroud is totally different. Must be off the 914 or one of those. |
porsche type-4's had the dip stick on top
& is the number 1 clue to know if you have a "bus" type-4 engine or a "porsche" type-4 engine
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Wellllll my type 4 is from a Porsche. 
I love this thread!
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Stuartzickefoose
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| vw76westy wrote: |
| 1975 Kombi wrote: |
| The dip stick hole thing is a mystery. I know the 80-83 CV motor relocated the dip stick but the fan shroud is totally different. Must be off the 914 or one of those. |
porsche type-4's had the dip stick on top
& is the number 1 clue to know if you have a "bus" type-4 engine or a "porsche" type-4 engine
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Wellllll my type 4 is from a Porsche.
I love this thread! |
lucky you, that means once your driving again, you get to go faster than the rest of use with "slow" VW motors....  
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secretsubmariner
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| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
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| vw76westy wrote: |
| 1975 Kombi wrote: |
| The dip stick hole thing is a mystery. I know the 80-83 CV motor relocated the dip stick but the fan shroud is totally different. Must be off the 914 or one of those. |
porsche type-4's had the dip stick on top
& is the number 1 clue to know if you have a "bus" type-4 engine or a "porsche" type-4 engine
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Wellllll my type 4 is from a Porsche.
I love this thread! |
lucky you, that means once your driving again, you get to go faster than the rest of use with "slow" VW motors....
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actually, the noticable speed difference is my factory racing stripes. Oh and my rebuild will supposedly cost a $hitload more than bus type 4, according to my shop.
Since this is a thread about type 4's, wanna talk about typical problems that require rebuilds? Or problems/things to check out when rebuilding?
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vw76westy
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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lucky you, that means once your driving again, you get to go faster than the rest of use with "slow" VW motors....
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it means the motor is geared for high rpm & low torq
ideal for a lightweight porsche
but far from it, in a heavy bus which is set up
for low rpm & high torq
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quote from bay window bus buyers guide........
The Type 4 engine is considered by many to be VW's finest air-cooled motor, |
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Amskeptic
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lucky you, that means once your driving again, you get to go faster than the rest of use with "slow" VW motors....
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it means the motor is geared for high rpm & low torq
ideal for a lightweight porsche
but far from it, in a heavy bus which is set up
for low rpm & high torq |
Porsche 2.0 Type 4 engine puts out more torque than the bus engine at 2-400 rpm further up the band. It also hits its hp peak almost 700 rpm up the band.
A Porsche 2.0 will have a perfectly fine time in a bus if the driver remembers to hang in the lower gear an additional 5-7 mph in the 3-4th shift. Don't even bother in 1st.
Colin
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thewalrus
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Since this is a thread about type 4's, wanna talk about typical problems that require rebuilds? Or problems/things to check out when rebuilding? |
Go for it. Most obvious one would be bad/cracked/collapsed valves from over heating, poor maintenance or cheap parts.
New 2.0 AMC Head after being sent to Boston Bob:
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| Looking forward to next weekend, weed, krunk juice, hookers, blow, hanging with bums, philly, ...the awards! |
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Stuartzickefoose
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i need a couple of those soon....i wish i had a job... 
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thewalrus
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Funny you should mention that. Those were one of the first things I bought when I landed my last job. They were around $700 I think.
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| You ran over some #Vanlife'ers hopes and dreams? |
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| Looking forward to next weekend, weed, krunk juice, hookers, blow, hanging with bums, philly, ...the awards! |
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Wrenchman12
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:59 am Post subject: Type 4 altenator |
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Seeing that I just replaced the altenator on my 73 1700 Rivieria camper I will add..
That most type 4, baywindow buses came with a 55amp altenator...
While campers or buses that included a BA6 heater got an upgrade to a 70 amp altenator.. :2gunfire:
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thewalrus
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Calibeachbus
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: WTB type 4 engine |
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I need a 2.0l for my '74 Westy; replacing a 1600 previous owner put in. Anyone have a recommendation for a reliable vendor that provides a warranty? I want a solid engine done right and willing to pay for the reliability. Thanks!
*Awesome thread by the way! |
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thewalrus
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If you were closer I'd build one for you Make sure the '74 has an arm for the air filter and hole for the computer or you're going to do a lot of hacking too. As for buying a 2.0L and throwing it in there, why not buy a core here in the classifieds and build it up? That'll be cheaper in the long run and you'll familiarize yourself with the engine. Between the Samba and the Bentley manual everything you need to know about install and building it is readily available.
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| You ran over some #Vanlife'ers hopes and dreams? |
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| Looking forward to next weekend, weed, krunk juice, hookers, blow, hanging with bums, philly, ...the awards! |
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thewalrus
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Type 4 Breather Box Valve Thread
An extensive break down about the breather box and it's overall importance to the health and longevity of your T4
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2...;start=120
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| You ran over some #Vanlife'ers hopes and dreams? |
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| Looking forward to next weekend, weed, krunk juice, hookers, blow, hanging with bums, philly, ...the awards! |
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thewalrus
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Common Fuel Vapor System Leaks
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| You ran over some #Vanlife'ers hopes and dreams? |
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| Looking forward to next weekend, weed, krunk juice, hookers, blow, hanging with bums, philly, ...the awards! |
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thewalrus
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Stuartzickefoose
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Has this been sticky'd yet? amazing information
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BumbleBus
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Hey thewalrus thanks for this thread it's great!! Wondering... pretty sure I need 1,6 & 7 based on gas leaking upon filling up  ... can't seem to find an online vendor that would have those parts. Any leads? Thanks!!!
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