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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: Exhaust recomendations for a rail. Reply with quote

I'm running 1600 in a rail that currently has a pretty rusted up and cut up exhaust. What would you recomend for a exhaust set up? Ti-pi style with a stinger or what?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a TeePee exhaust on my rail and it was a PIA to work on because the exhaust was always in the way and disassembly of the exhaust sucked. I went with a 4 into 1 with the collector that is held on with four springs, way more user friendly.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have any pictures of your set up? I'm just worried that a system like that won't clear the roll cage around the engine
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't find a photo of my current four into one, this is the exhaust I mounted prior to the one I am running now
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This what you want,
http://www.cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=380
Add muffler of choice. or you can run something like this,
http://www.cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=377
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im running a Trimill Teepee and love it. Sounds awsome. It is a little harder to work on the engine, but only when hot. I can still get to wherever easily. I actually believe its alot easier to adjust the carb, and aceess the front of the engine alot easier than a regular J-tube setup with U-Bend.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your running a 1600cc engine I will assume that its just a fun buggy, and not a full out race car. So...

Do what you like the look of, or what you think sounds cool.

Honestly, I think dual exhausts look sweet and sound awesome...I don't mind if they take a couple ponies off. They get bonus points for sweet looks and an awesome sound in my book...not to mention they are mostly out of the way so it is easy to work on the engine.

If your a power hungry monster, then by all means, go for the 4 into 1 headers. They will gain you a couple ponies. Lets be honest, on a stock engine, the difference is really only noticeable to the driver of the vehicle lower in the rpm range.

Alright, it's time to shield my face from the all crap horsepower junkies will start throwing at me Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That tee pee is so cool. I wish I could put one of those in my bug
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like my duals. Plus I run a single carb. So I need preheat, I think the four into one theory is probably blown using preheat tubes. I've seen a couple setups, but they weren't impressive enough to make me want to ditch what I have.

(I have a stock 1600)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if you were running a 2110 with dual IDFs on the street. Would there be a major loss then? A 4 into 2 would look so much better for what I'm doing, but I don't want to waste a lot of gas and power. Frankly, a 4 into 4 would look even better Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What if you were running a 2110 with dual IDFs on the street. Would there be a major loss then?


Yes, that would be silly to run dual exhausts when you build a motor for power. They make dual carburetors very hard to tune because of the uneven scavenging effect. A proper 4 into 1 header will let you maximize your dual carburetors performance. Good scavenging goes a long ways towards engine performance. If you have invested lots of money into building a large motor for power, dual exhausts are not for you.

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A 4 into 2 would look so much better for what I'm doing, but I don't want to waste a lot of gas and power. Frankly, a 4 into 4 would look even better


I'm with you on the looks. I love the looks of duals. The sound is also fantastic. If your looking at a 4 into 4, power pipes are about your only option. Personally, I think they sound a bit obnoxious...a bit over the top in my opinion. I can't comment on the power and performance of them though. All I know is they exist. Sorry.

if your set on going duals, I recommend these. Dual zoom tube glass packs sound awesome, and they look sweet too. These are my personal favorites.

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You might find this interesting. This samba member has custom individual 4 into 4 headers, like you were talking about.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are nice looking.

Im also in the same boat as the OP. Rusted exhaust and want to get rid of the stinger exhaust on there now.

How are these? Empi dual exhaust, w/o heater box. Only thing is they say redesigned to be compatible with dual carbs. I have single. Would they still work?
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http://www.jbugs.com/product/3373.html?Category_Code=empi-vw-baja-exhausts-systems

Or what about these? Another empi exhaust. I dont think they are the same, but could be. Laughing
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMPI-3708-VW-BUG-BUGGY-DUA...mp;vxp=mtr[/img]
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the redesign just moves them outish a bit to give more clearance for the duals. They have a possible preheat so, I wouldn't see how they couldn't work with singles. I have an oldish version of that on mine with a 34-3.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hows the sound with those? Is it loud as heck, or can you still talk to the person next to ya?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those have a very nice sound, typical of dual glass packs. They are pretty calm at idle, but they will let you know you put your foot down Laughing You can talk with them, but they definitely are not what most would call quiet. That being said, they are definitely tolerable. Much better than a stinger or the mega duals.

One thing with those that you will want to keep an eye on is the black. The paint that comes on them is only there to keep the metal from rusting in storage. Once they get hot enough, it slowly burns off. Once it does, or you don't like the look you can brush them down and repaint them with high temp paint for exhausts. I have not used it, but a couple people tell me that Grill Paint works really well.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the exhaust i have now, you cant even talk while going down the road until you are in 4th. Mine arent even as good as a stinger. The 4 pipes go up to a flange, and then a tip is welded to a flange and bolted on.

Ill take the grill paint into consideration. If i go with this style, which is what im leaning towards, then ill go ahead and do that as soon as they come in.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get more noise from wind than anything interrupting conversations. I can definitely hear them, but not obnoxious by any means.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buggy Disaster, where did you get your Teepee exhaust? I actualy like the looks of that one.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a dual carb set up would a tee pee with a stinger be good? I noticed some said that some exhaust don't go well with dual carbs
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My buddy runs one and when the pipes are cold they are not a problem. I don't like hows his looks tho. There are a couple with a few twist and turns that look realy nice, like the one buggy disaster is running. I have heard from a few people that the tee pee is a better performing exhaust than a tri-mill bobcat, I realy don't know.
here is a blurry pic of his rail,
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