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petrol punk
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The 4BT weighs in at around 750lbs...You'll have to look into a VW diesel or some other small diesel.
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wrinkles66
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iv never done the trail ride kinda things iv never heard of them around where i am. but iv had my cummins and the old non turbo ford i had out in the desert on the trails out there and also out in the mountains where i hunt and i have never had a problem with not havin enough power or anything even going through mud holes.
wat im thinkin about doing is putting 42 inch tires or something around there with long arm lift. i would prolly get a dodge donor truck and take the axles and suspension off and put them under the smaller frame mainly because i know they can take the torque but thats if i go with a 5.9 6 cylinder.
wat i would use this frankenstein for would be cruizing in the hills, going mudding, and rolling up next to poeple with lifted trucks and making them look up at me haha. it definatly would not be a daily driver just something to go out and have fun with and not worry bout messing up my dd i would put a full roll cage in it just in case. but i would not go hill climbing with it just for the simple reason of it being so tall and short wheel based |
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wrinkles66
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| i looked at the rabbit 1900 turbo diesel wat kind of hp and torque would i be lookin at with that?? and i would rather stick with diesel instead of gas the only gasser that i like and will drive is the vw baja that im building right now |
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pafree
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:28 am Post subject: |
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wat im thinkin about doing is putting 42 inch tires or something around there with long arm lift. i would prolly get a dodge donor truck and take the axles and suspension off and put them under the smaller frame mainly because i know they can take the torque but thats if i go with a 5.9 6 cylinder.
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something like this?
there was a guy in my area that was going to use a blazer frame.
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wrinkles66
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| more like the second one but i would do the cage under the body and over the engine and just bolt on the body so when i go to the hills i can just take it off and not worry bout ruining it. i got the idea off of a guy on youtube guy named tim cameron he knows how to fab things |
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smileyman3000
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I don't see the point! I'd still much rather a Baja for going offroad than a 4WD!
While I appreciate a good discussion I'm not sure why you posted this on a VW forum when you a basically talking about building a 4WD?
I have considered a diesel engine for my Baja, but I think that the weight and extra cooling required would put you at a disadvantage. And you can certainly build a Type 4 VW engine to make bulk torque like a diesel 
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wrinkles66
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| i would have the wheeler and i have a 64 baja. but i posted it here to get opinions and information |
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With your permission, I'll laugh now...  . This is not aimed at you or your potential project, but you said I could laugh if I want to.  |
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wrinkles66
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| lol alright |
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wrinkles66
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| smiley if ya dont mind me askin prolly a stupid question wat is a type 4 engine? like type 1 is a bug and type 2 is the bus am i right? |
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smileyman3000
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| wrinkles66 wrote: | | smiley if ya dont mind me askin prolly a stupid question wat is a type 4 engine? like type 1 is a bug and type 2 is the bus am i right? |
Type 4 engines were used in the Bay window buses from around 1972ish onwards. And also used in the T3 Aircooled buses in the early 80s. They were also used in the VW Type 4.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Type_4
The Type 4 engine is basically a big block, more advanced version of the Type 1 engine. But having been designed and produced over 30 years after the Type 1 it has a plethora of upgrades. These include but at not limited to
- Aluminum crankcase (opposed to the manganese alloy used on Type one)
- Spin on oil filter
- Rear main seal instead of the spiral cut into the pulley on Type 1
- The option of hydraulic tappets
- Fuel injection on some models
- They are a larger capacity from factory available in 1.7, 1.8 and 2.0L sizes.
- The heads are cross flow
- etc etc etc.
They are well know for being a very torquey and reliable engine. Capable of doing many many miles between rebuilds.
As a general rule they won't rev as high or quickly as a Type one, unless you modify them obviously. Then the sky's the limit of course!
This is just what I can remember off the top of my head. I'm sure people more knowledgeable will chime in a correct all of my mistakes and add their own wisdom.
Smiley
PS. As soon as the Type one in my Baja wears out I'm building a big capacity Type 4 for it. Want bulk torque!
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wrinkles66
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| would it be able to roll 42 inch tires though? adn then be able to take on steep hills? |
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| wrinkles66 wrote: | | would it be able to roll 42 inch tires though? adn then be able to take on steep hills? |
With enough gear reduction, a weed eater engine will do that. It would just be impractical.
The type IV engine has a lot more torque than the type I engine, but it will still come down to what the operating range is in the application you put it in.
Being an engineer, I think you are approaching this wrong. You are designing a vehicle around an engine, where as, it will make a better final project to design the engine around the vehicle. Once you have the vehicle designed, pick an engine combination that will efficiently motovate the weight, gearing, reduction, suspension, terrain and speed you what the vehicle to do.
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Dave24
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| joescoolcustoms wrote: | | wrinkles66 wrote: | | would it be able to roll 42 inch tires though? adn then be able to take on steep hills? |
With enough gear reduction, a weed eater engine will do that. It would just be impractical.
The type IV engine has a lot more torque than the type I engine, but it will still come down to what the operating range is in the application you put it in.
Being an engineer, I think you are approaching this wrong. You are designing a vehicle around an engine, where as, it will make a better final project to design the engine around the vehicle. Once you have the vehicle designed, pick an engine combination that will efficiently motovate the weight, gearing, reduction, suspension, terrain and speed you what the vehicle to do. |
Ditto!... that's GREAT advice, Joe.  |
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