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slione Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2011 Posts: 180 Location: NJ
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:19 pm Post subject: EGR Valve/Filter Required in NJ? |
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I have read that many have removed and blocked their EGR valves. Does anyone know if EGRs are required in NJ for emmisions? I am running on standard and NOT historic plates. I circled the valve and tube that connects to the EGR filter under the tin.
I am asking b/c I am looking to replace my muffler and it matters if one is using a EGR or not.
This picture is from the day I bought my 74 SB. The fuel filter, vacuum hoses, charcoal canister hoses, etc. have all been addressed.
_________________ 1974 SB Vert - Getting there, slowly but surely |
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject: egr fllter in NJ |
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Glenn will be right with you... _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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Koeppler Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2011 Posts: 481 Location: Aging gracefully
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slione Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2011 Posts: 180 Location: NJ
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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@Koeppler... Thanks and, yes, that is certainly true but only IF you have historic plates. I am considering making this a daily driver and as such would not meet the restrictions those plates carry. I actually failed NJ emissions and need to get the carb adjusted so I can pass but am doing other work and it is not drivable at present.
What I am trying to understand is how much the EGR setup plays in the emissions testing in NJ. If I can pass without it I will block it at the intake manifold and get a non-EGR muffler. _________________ 1974 SB Vert - Getting there, slowly but surely |
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Koeppler Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2011 Posts: 481 Location: Aging gracefully
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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slione wrote: |
@Koeppler... Thanks and, yes, that is certainly true but only IF you have historic plates. I am considering making this a daily driver and as such would not meet the restrictions those plates carry. I actually failed NJ emissions and need to get the carb adjusted so I can pass but am doing other work and it is not drivable at present.
What I am trying to understand is how much the EGR setup plays in the emissions testing in NJ. If I can pass without it I will block it at the intake manifold and get a non-EGR muffler. |
Gotcha....any chance of just calling your inspection site to see what's required? Some states require an EGR set-up to be in place, and whether it works or not isn't a problem as long as the emissions are low. Others require it to be working. Some people cheat by leaning out their mixture and others who knows? Sorry I can't be of more help. NY only requires a safety inspection.
This is about a guy in AZ if you haven't seen it
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=463226&highlight=pass+inspection |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32634 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:08 pm Post subject: egr |
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Dave, Here in Calif we had egr AND
( dual heat risers) for 1974 type 1
Different from what is only engine in the pic.
But, that could be a 1973 engine? _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32634 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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slione Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2011 Posts: 180 Location: NJ
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks (as always) Dave for your help.
old DKP driver: The engine code definitely puts it as a 1974. I would be curious too to see a CA setup if you have one. _________________ 1974 SB Vert - Getting there, slowly but surely |
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject: egr and state |
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Just checking to see what if any info you have found with
your EGR and passing the emission test. _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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slione Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2011 Posts: 180 Location: NJ
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: egr and state |
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old DKP driver wrote: |
Just checking to see what if any info you have found with
your EGR and passing the emission test. |
I'll keep you posted. The car is not running at the moment - the gas tank is out and I need to clean and seal it. Once this is done I'm taking it to a guy near me that can tune my carb with an exhaust sniffer and do a NJ emissions inspection. I'll ask him about it and see what he has to say.
I really want to keep the car as true to stock as possible. Therefore, if in 1974 they all had EGRs, I'll keep mine. Chances are the filter is long clogged/plugged anyway but at least it is there and has the right look. _________________ 1974 SB Vert - Getting there, slowly but surely |
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delliott101 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2008 Posts: 1315 Location: Caldwell - Lake Lowell ID
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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The 1969 Bug that I drove out from California to NJ for my niece has no EGR unit and it passed inspection... but I don't know if later Bugs that are equipped with such a thing require it. _________________ Transplanted Jersey Boy living in Idaho by way of Northern California!
We don't own old VWs, we just take care of them for the next driver |
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:19 pm Post subject: egr |
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Delliot101,Thank God for that... HUH
Actually, we started installing EGR kits @ the dealer in 1971 and they
were made by the STP corporation.
The Feds and Ca. mandated EGR that year
But NO, not for the previous year like your 1969 _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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delliott101 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2008 Posts: 1315 Location: Caldwell - Lake Lowell ID
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Thankfully, here in California, we don't have to worry about smog for anything before 1976 or 1977 anyway...
But in my home state of New Jersey, for the time inspections have been done away with, except for emissions. I think at the inspection station, they will just check to see if it passes emissions. I don't think they will see if there is a charcoal canister, EGR valve, etc.
OR take it to a private garage that specializes in old VWs. I think my sister ended up taking my niece's VW to the Beetle Barn for some work and I assume they inspected it. _________________ Transplanted Jersey Boy living in Idaho by way of Northern California!
We don't own old VWs, we just take care of them for the next driver |
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baccaruda Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:26 am Post subject: |
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I specifically targeted my Beetle based on emissions testing. Anything prior to '75 is exempt, so I bought a '73. I will not voluntarily subject myself to that nonsensical hassle.
Are you sure a '74 has to be tested at all? |
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slione Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2011 Posts: 180 Location: NJ
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:29 am Post subject: |
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baccaruda wrote: |
I specifically targeted my Beetle based on emissions testing. Anything prior to '75 is exempt, so I bought a '73. I will not voluntarily subject myself to that nonsensical hassle.
Are you sure a '74 has to be tested at all? |
In NJ at least, it will be held to 1974 emissions requirements. I agree with Dave that if it is missing the EGR, no one will likely know the difference but I do want to be authentic in my restoration.
I will say this... When I took it in a few months ago or so to the local state inspection center, I got a kick out of the fact that about 3-4 of the inspection guys came over and tool a look-see. I like to think it was because they liked the car and not because the kid who was doing my inspection couldn't figure out where the engine was.
I did fail for emissions. I measured 1138 ppm for HC (standard is 500) and CO% was 8.59 (standard is 5.00). _________________ 1974 SB Vert - Getting there, slowly but surely |
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delliott101 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2008 Posts: 1315 Location: Caldwell - Lake Lowell ID
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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slione wrote: |
baccaruda wrote: |
I specifically targeted my Beetle based on emissions testing. Anything prior to '75 is exempt, so I bought a '73. I will not voluntarily subject myself to that nonsensical hassle.
Are you sure a '74 has to be tested at all? |
In NJ at least, it will be held to 1974 emissions requirements. I agree with Dave that if it is missing the EGR, no one will likely know the difference but I do want to be authentic in my restoration.
I will say this... When I took it in a few months ago or so to the local state inspection center, I got a kick out of the fact that about 3-4 of the inspection guys came over and tool a look-see. I like to think it was because they liked the car and not because the kid who was doing my inspection couldn't figure out where the engine was.
I did fail for emissions. I measured 1138 ppm for HC (standard is 500) and CO% was 8.59 (standard is 5.00). |
OH YEAH!!! I knew that I knew this user name!!! Ha ha!
As far as authenticity is concerned, my 2 cents is that unless you are going to be REALLY scrutinized in a car show, I would just get rid of the thing. Especially on a later Bug. If it was a split, or oval... that's different! _________________ Transplanted Jersey Boy living in Idaho by way of Northern California!
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slione Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2011 Posts: 180 Location: NJ
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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delliott101 wrote: |
OH YEAH!!! I knew that I knew this user name!!! Ha ha! |
I'm not looking to do any shows and I hear what you are saying... The authenticity is just for me. My goal is that someday (someday is a long time away) it will look like you time traveled to 1979. It won't be perfect but it looks good and all original (except for things like the hidden iPod plug and the like).
Not to derail the topic but... Did your truck's transmission fair well after you dropped off the bug in NJ? I recall you telling me at the show that you were having troubles on the trip. Hope you made it back OK without too much trouble! _________________ 1974 SB Vert - Getting there, slowly but surely |
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slione Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2011 Posts: 180 Location: NJ
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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BTW... All the stuff may still be there for looks but that does not mean it has to be functioning. The EGR can be blocked at the intake manifold and the EGR does not have to be connected to the muffler. What I don't know is how much function the EGR plays into the emission testing results - but apparently not too much. I'll make a final post on this once I get the car running again and re-inspected. _________________ 1974 SB Vert - Getting there, slowly but surely |
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delliott101 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2008 Posts: 1315 Location: Caldwell - Lake Lowell ID
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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slione wrote: |
Not to derail the topic but... Did your truck's transmission fair well after you dropped off the bug in NJ? I recall you telling me at the show that you were having troubles on the trip. Hope you made it back OK without too much trouble! |
The Overdrive heated too much on the trip out there as we forgot to turn it off while towing the Bug with the tow bar... on the return trip on the following Sunday, the transmission conked out in Brewster Kansas. We needed to get towed to the next town over (Goodland) and the next day bought a 2006 Dodge Durango. I almost had a nervous breakdown being stranded in the middle of nowhere.
My wife wanted an adventure and she got it! _________________ Transplanted Jersey Boy living in Idaho by way of Northern California!
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