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GreenMachineVW
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| 81'Westfalia wrote: | | I see.. So by not having the "accordion" tube connected I'm not getting the right ventilation or something? Can heat/defrost still work without this? |
Without the accordion tube the heat will NOT get to the system, and there is not forced air coming from the rear. You will still get a breeze from air coming in the front, but there will be no heat. The accordion tubes are missing, not simply not connected. The alternator has a fan that pushes air through the heat exchangers, which is used both to cool the engine (somewhat), and heat the cab. The heat exchangers appear to be present, so at least the engine cooling function is somewhat working. The heat exchangers are the big aluminum boxes that connect the heads to the muffler. |
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81'Westfalia
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: First VW. 81' Westfalia Vanagon. Need advice! |
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| Vanagon Nut wrote: | It might be my eyes, but looking at RH of image, the casing on connector end of red wire to coil looks a little singed or corroded. Might be something to check.
Edit: I realize you weren't asking about this. And, I should have looked closer. Thought that if that wire failed, it might leave you stranded. It looks like a + wire running to something other than the ignition. Goes to carb choke?
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I thought it looked corroded from the picture as well, just checked it and it seems like a fairly new wire, just was a little dirty. The red wire in question connects goes to the carb.. if i'm looking at the carb from the back of van it connects to the front of it.
There's another green wire than runs to the distributor. |
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81'Westfalia
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| GreenMachineVW wrote: | | Without the accordion tube the heat will NOT get to the system, and there is not forced air coming from the rear. You will still get a breeze from air coming in the front, but there will be no heat. The accordion tubes are missing, not simply not connected. The alternator has a fan that pushes air through the heat exchangers, which is used both to cool the engine (somewhat), and heat the cab. The heat exchangers appear to be present, so at least the engine cooling function is somewhat working. The heat exchangers are the big aluminum boxes that connect the heads to the muffler. |
Thanks! It sounds as simple as just getting the accordion tube and connecting them. Is that right? |
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81'Westfalia
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Here are some more pictures, hoping someone can identify what part needs replacing as I can find anything out via haynes/bentley/forum.
The shift rod (i guess that's what it's called) can be move towards the front of the van and also up/down/circular motion. Just to clarify this is the long rod that the 2 loose black seals are pictured in. Would that be causing my issue with first gear? (Hard to get into first from N.. have to move from reverse to 1st and have some luck) Yes, I've seen other threads with this problem.. but also have seen solutions of replacing the clutch cylinder to fix it, which I don't believe is needed in my case.
Also in picture #3.. it looks like it's coming unscrewed or something. Kinda scared to drive it until I get some help as to what's up with it!
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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There is a guide ring that fits up inside the rear end of the shift rod, yours is either badly damage or plain missing.
What you are seeing in the third photo is normal, the small end of the boot has just shifted a bit. Slide it back if you want and put a wire tie around the boot to help hold it in place, or just leave well enough alone. |
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81'Westfalia
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Wildthings wrote: | There is a guide ring that fits up inside the rear end of the shift rod, yours is either badly damage or plain missing.
What you are seeing in the third photo is normal, the small end of the boot has just shifted a bit. Slide it back if you want and put a wire tie around the boot to help hold it in place, or just leave well enough alone. |
When you say the rear end of the shift rod.. is that the area where it connects to the transmission (where the black seals in picture #2 are) ? Sorry, my transmission knowledge is very poor.. but I'm trying my best to take it all in  |
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| 81'Westfalia wrote: | | Wildthings wrote: | There is a guide ring that fits up inside the rear end of the shift rod, yours is either badly damage or plain missing.
What you are seeing in the third photo is normal, the small end of the boot has just shifted a bit. Slide it back if you want and put a wire tie around the boot to help hold it in place, or just leave well enough alone. |
When you say the rear end of the shift rod.. is that the area where it connects to the transmission (where the black seals in picture #2 are) ? Sorry, my transmission knowledge is very poor.. but I'm trying my best to take it all in |
Yes, there is a fixed shaft that fits into the rear end of the rod. The shaft is supposed to have a poly guide ring on it that reduces the play between the shaft and the shift rod. |
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81'Westfalia
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Wildthings wrote: | | Yes, there is a fixed shaft that fits into the rear end of the rod. The shaft is supposed to have a poly guide ring on it that reduces the play between the shaft and the shift rod. |
I think I'm just going to break down and take it into a reasonable (hopefully) vw shop, have him look it over and see what parts are worn and need immediate replacement. Then see what he estimates for parts & labor.. while praying it's not much more than a couple hundred.. |
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reluctantartist
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Unless the person you take it to has a lot of experience with vanagons don't take it anywhere you are beetr off doing it yourself. Here is a link to a discussion on the shift linkage a while back. Look at the shifter diagram and wuo will see what parts are to look for and figure something out.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3...p;start=40
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81'Westfalia
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| reluctantartist wrote: | Unless the person you take it to has a lot of experience with vanagons don't take it anywhere you are beetr off doing it yourself. Here is a link to a discussion on the shift linkage a while back. Look at the shifter diagram and wuo will see what parts are to look for and figure something out.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3...p;start=40 |
Well I've contact 2 shops who only deal with VW's.. one has a more popular reputation but the earliest I could get in is 4/20. The other isn't as popular but he has 20+ years of VW experience and basically told me the same things I'm hearing on here. So I've got 2 shops who know vanagons inside and out.. all I'm worried about is price. I'm seeing basically complete linkage kits for around $100.. it doesn't seem that labor intensive. How many hours would you say it would roughly take to replace the basic linkage components and get everything lubed up?
I've read through Bentley and Haynes instructions regarding the shift linkage replacement and I just feel there's a risk of me getting completely stuck halfway through and not be able to get into gear at all.
I really wish there was someone nearby.. I'll supply the beverage of your choice, pay your gas to come up, pay you a fair amount, and help you the entire way  |
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81'Westfalia
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| Wildthings wrote: | There is a guide ring that fits up inside the rear end of the shift rod, yours is either badly damage or plain missing.
Yes, there is a fixed shaft that fits into the rear end of the rod. The shaft is supposed to have a poly guide ring on it that reduces the play between the shaft and the shift rod. |
I've been looking for the part, is this it? http://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=251711227
This part kind of looks like the white plastic piece that is around the plastic lever ball underneath the shift boot.. or am I wrong? |
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:37 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like the correct part, but others may know better than me. |
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Many of the parts are no longer available. You can get the ring and the center bushing (only one place in the states that I know of). The other parts you can't get. The complete kits are probably for later vanagons. If you were close by I would be happy to help.
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81'Westfalia
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Got up under the westy today and have a much better understanding of the shift rod assembly. I ran out of daylight to take the spare down to get a better look but it definitely looks like the white shift lever ball is worn from underneath as well as the two cracks on top of the ball.
I feel as if I could take the shift rod out and replace those pieces myself but as far as adjusting.. I'm lost, and the books just aren't clear enough for a novice like myself.
As of right now, I convinced myself I'll be needing at least these 2 items
1. Front gear shifter repair kit for 80-83 http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=3845&category_id=400&category_parent_id=
2. Gear shift lever ball http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-251-711-131-C
3. Have shifter adjusted so it can easily find 1st gear
4. Have all the shifting mechanics greased up really well.
What is this part? and is it supposed to just be laying in there freely?
 
And.. the two black seals that are hanging loose here.. I still haven't been able to find the exact piece that goes here. Also, to the left of that, above the shift rod.. the circular piece that's bolted next to transmission.. Just doesn't look right.. maybe just worn..
Thanks for any help, I really appreciate it!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| You may be interested in this.....http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pts/2947226527.html |
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81'Westfalia
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| RCB wrote: | | You may be interested in this.....http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pts/2947226527.html |
I'm really tired of this useless posts saying to read the manual.
I have the manual. I have Haynes book. I have bentley book.
This engine has been worked on, things have been changed around, moved out of the original placement, carburetor added, etc.. I'm not a mechanic nor do I have a huge mechanic terminology background. I did my research, I studied the book, read hundreds of threads on this forum and others. I'm simply asking whether or not something looks right. I got parts that I believe I'll be needing, and I'm asking for advice on whether or not I'm going down the right path.
Seriously, lower your ego and stop being such a huge asshole. You're acting as if I'm creating a thread titled, "How do I change my oil?"
I can tell you one thing, this place is full of helpful folk, but there are just many people like yourself driving people away and loosing the owner of this forum not only valuable ad revenue but giving this place a negative reputation. However good your intentions are.. and whatever your motivations may be, to become a moderator and get a pretty label beside your name.. you come off as a total jerk.
According to your recent posts
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Now these don't necessarily serve any purpose and could be labeled as a waste of bandwidth, but no one is telling you to get on topic/read rules. Get a grip man. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| The one piece you are asking about is a standard old style German fuse. Not sure where to find the torn boot you are calling two seals, maybe a phone call to German Supply or Bus Depot is in order. Not everything shows on their websites. They may be able to fax you pages from VW's parts book that will show all the various pieces used in the shift rod system. |
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You can't use http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-251-711-131-C that is for a wbxr. Your shift ball looks intact that is part E on the diagram. It looks like you need parts B, C, J, and I. Your shift fork is missing the plastic piece and the shifter box is missing the nylon side pad (that would be where you see the holes). It doesn't look like you need the front shifter repair kit. But I question if parts K and L are still in good shape. Someone has a shift rod for sale in the classifieds that looks to be in better shape than what you have.
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81'Westfalia
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Thanks.. I wasn't aware of the SUPER long section on the left side of bus boys website.
As far as the shift ball, it certain intact, but there is 2 minor cracks that you can see in the previous pictures. I think I'll pass on buying that part until after the necessary issues are taken care of. Like I said before, 2nd-3rd, 3rd-4th is pretty smooth going, so I'm hoping those 2 cracks won't cause problems until it's more worn. I do feel confident now that I could take out the rod and reassemble.. so I'll tackle that one myself.
I'm going to see what this vw mechanic says about it all tomorrow and hopefully get an estimate on this and a few other things. If it's fairly reasonable I'll leave it in his hands. If not, I'll be on the search for these NLA items in the crevices of the internet and try to find a spot to work on it myself.
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You can't use http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-251-711-131-C that is for a wbxr. Your shift ball looks intact that is part E on the diagram. It looks like you need parts B, C, J, and I. Your shift fork is missing the plastic piece and the shifter box is missing the nylon side pad (that would be where you see the holes). It doesn't look like you need the front shifter repair kit. But I question if parts K and L are still in good shape. Someone has a shift rod for sale in the classifieds that looks to be in better shape than what you have. |
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| 81 Westfalia, I should have read all your postings prior to my post. I didnt realize you had the manuals already. Best 2U and its nice to hear of another air-cooled on the road. Once you get er up and running, the tea leaves indicate many a safe and memorable travels awaite you. |
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