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ftp2leta Samba Member

Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 2597 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: Typical crazy customer |
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I like to share stuff with you guys about customer VS shop owner.
I'll make that short:
A guy e-mail me sating he is ready to buy a van I have converted some year ago (33K$), he ask me if I can re- activate AC. I say yes if the rest of the AC component are in working order. If everything is there and nothing as been remove i can.
Never heard back from that guy.
2 days later the van owner call me in panic... BEN, CAN YOU MAKE MY AC WORK!!!! If not, the guy won't take the van... I gave a deposit on a new RV and I may loose my deposit if the guy doesn't take my van (you should also have taken a deposit). Sure I can but I need time to built the AC hoses.
Another e-mail: Ben HELP ME. Faster please.
To help you with what? Being stupid enough to give a big deposit on an expensive RV way before you get you money for your "not really sold" vanagon.
Childish behaviour, at 56 he should know better,
I have no pity for people like that. I'm stressed enough already that I should not have to cope/deal with other people stress that anyway I didn't create.
If you could read French I would post his e-mail here.
As a shop owner who does 10K$ job I take a deposit for every single job, NOT REFUNDABLE! It's called a DEPOSIT, why the heck would I ask for one If I had to give it back if you change your mind... THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I ASK A DEPOSIT.
Please comment.... I'm ready.
 _________________ Working with rust, grease, dirt and dust is a sad truth.
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James 93SLC Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2009 Posts: 914 Location: NE Ohio
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Typical crazy customer |
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| ftp2leta wrote: |
Childish behaviour, at 56 he should know better,
I have no pity for people like that. I'm stressed enough already that I should not have to cope/deal with other people stress that anyway I didn't create. |
Bravo Ben! I can't stand it when people try to make their problem yours because of their own foolishness.
Better get a deposit for those A/C hoses first  _________________ -------------------------
91 Vanagon Carat
93 Corrado SLC
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tencentlife "Sometimes a pooka is a problem and sometimes it's just a pooka" |
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Syncro Pilot Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2011 Posts: 425 Location: Ontario
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Il est con, ce mec. _________________ 1988 Syncro Vanagon
The most important part in every vehicle is the nut behind the wheel...... |
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kamzcab86 Samba Member

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 2696 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Typical crazy customer |
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| customer wrote: | | I gave a deposit on a new RV and I may loose my deposit if the guy doesn't take my van. |
"Dude, not my problem. I'll fix your van when the 3 others brought in ahead of you are done."
People and their entitlements...  _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2000 Jetta VR6 |
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Syncroincity Samba Member

Joined: April 15, 2007 Posts: 999 Location: New York City
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Print this out on a big sign for your shop;
LACK OF PLANNING ON YOUR PART
DOES NOT CONSTITUTE
AN EMERGENCY ON MY PART. _________________ Jerry McCavitt
'86 Syncro Camper AAZ swap in work
'04 Passat Variant 4Mo 5MT
'98 Jetta Wolfie
Vanagon Build: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=466866&highlight= |
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joseph928 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2011 Posts: 1429 Location: flagstaff az.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Typical crazy customer |
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| kamzcab86 wrote: | | customer wrote: | | I gave a deposit on a new RV and I may loose my deposit if the guy doesn't take my van. |
"Dude, not my problem. I'll fix your van when the 3 others brought in ahead of you are done."
People and their entitlements...  | Now Now, does everybody fell better! OK your right he is wrong, he should just keep the van, who needs a bigger RV !  _________________ 1987 syncro westy tin top sun roof GW2.3 rear locker decoupler custom bumper roof rack Gary Lee tire rack lift south african grill big brakes rhein alloy 15 BFG AT 617 gears ShadyBoy awning 140 watt rear 85 watt front solar mppt truckfridge automatic fire extinguishing system - 2010 Subaru turbo - 1993 Toyota 4x4 truck - 1999 Harley - Dodge 4500 4x4- 1987 tin top westy Jetta 2.0 ABA 1.8 head, 55 watt solar automatic fire extinguishing system -Just sold my 84 Westy |
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kamzcab86 Samba Member

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 2696 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Syncroincity wrote: | Print this out on a big sign for your shop;
LACK OF PLANNING ON YOUR PART
DOES NOT CONSTITUTE
AN EMERGENCY ON MY PART. |
Ha! I like that! Put it on the web site too. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2000 Jetta VR6 |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member

Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 2077 Location: Cascadia
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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I build AC hoses in my sleep, and offer them for free to all the Macy's Christmas elves with proper credentials. What kind of Scrooge McDee doesn't? sheesh _________________ --Casey
'89 Bluestar
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 3277 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Typical crazy customer |
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| ftp2leta wrote: |
... I gave a deposit on a new RV and I may loose my deposit if the guy doesn't take my van.....
..... Being stupid enough to give a big deposit on an expensive RV way before you get you money for your "not really sold" vanagon.
... I'm stressed enough already that I should not have to cope/deal with other people stress that anyway I didn't create.
Please comment.... I'm ready.
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You want it ?
I'll give it.
My opinion that you wanted it to be a completed deal before it was.
What are you doing putting a big deposit on an expensive rv when you can lose that deposit because of a screwy customer?
Like you've never seen a screwball customer before....
Yeah, he's screwy, okay.
But you put yourself in there with him. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way |
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thummmper Samba Member

Joined: November 25, 2009 Posts: 1801 Location: carlsbad, calif.
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GMByers Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2008 Posts: 515 Location: Leavenworth, Kansas
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Levi,
I think you misread Ben's comments. Ben isn't saying that he, himself put a deposit on an RV; he is saying the guy (in the email) who is trying to sell the VW put a deposit on an RV before his own VW was sold. Now the guy in the email is begging Ben to fix the A/C so he can complete the sale. _________________ 02 Eurovan (Eats $$$)
93 Eurovan (Left in PA)
91 Vanagon (Left in PA)
90 Vanagon (Left in PA)
83 Doka (Left in PA)
81 Double sliding door Transporter (Left in PA)
74 Thing (Left in PA) |
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erdonline Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2004 Posts: 702 Location: CT
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Typical crazy customer |
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| levi wrote: | | ftp2leta wrote: |
... I gave a deposit on a new RV and I may loose my deposit if the guy doesn't take my van.....
..... Being stupid enough to give a big deposit on an expensive RV way before you get you money for your "not really sold" vanagon.
... I'm stressed enough already that I should not have to cope/deal with other people stress that anyway I didn't create.
Please comment.... I'm ready.
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You want it ?
I'll give it.
My opinion that you wanted it to be a completed deal before it was.
What are you doing putting a big deposit on an expensive rv when you can lose that deposit because of a screwy customer?
Like you've never seen a screwball customer before....
Yeah, he's screwy, okay.
But you put yourself in there with him. |
levi, if I'm reading Ben's post right, you are attributing Ben's customer's quote to Ben by mistake. It's not Ben who put a deposit on an RV, hoping his customer would come through, it's his customer who did put up the big deposit without selling his Vanagon first.
Ed _________________ '85 Vanagon Westfalia- with an AVP rebuild recently installed
'84 Vanagon 7-passenger
'98 Mexican Beetle
'87 Vanagon Wolfsburg- parting out |
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ftp2leta Samba Member

Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 2597 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Syncroincity wrote: | Print this out on a big sign for your shop;
LACK OF PLANNING ON YOUR PART
DOES NOT CONSTITUTE
AN EMERGENCY ON MY PART. |
You get my vote for president. EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TELL!
Men I like Shakespeare language sometime.
Levi, you didn't get my post. it's ok, I'm French speaking and sometime I guess it can be confusing for English speaking folks.
Let my try again:
The mistake of one is not the mistake of everyone.
A decision should concern you and should not imply everyone else
You made a choice and only you is responsible.
Don't blame a bad decision on anyone else
You acted to fast because your a cry baby
You have no life and think that an object will make you feel stronger.
Your wife made you do it.
you need a new toy to be happy.
Yea, sell your GREAT van for a lazy big RV
Ben _________________ Working with rust, grease, dirt and dust is a sad truth.
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Engine and FI part for sale CHECK MY ADS HERE!.
My site: http://www.benplace.com/vw2.htm
Subi conversion: http://www.benplace.com/vanaru_eng.htm
Youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/ftp2leta |
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Gauche1968 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Quality, price, speed: pick any two. _________________ 1984 Vanagon GL
1984 Vanagon Westy |
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insyncro  Samba Member

Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 6536 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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OPP
Let Mr. RV Buyer figure it out on his own. |
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Racerrojo Samba Member

Joined: August 01, 2006 Posts: 611 Location: ALBUQUERQUE 87120
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| thummmper wrote: | | 33k and no ac? |
Picky,Picky, Picky  _________________ Tight is tight... too tight is expensive!!!!
Too many vans and mostly all projects  |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member

Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 3634 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Seems like you would be entitled to ask for an additional fee for "rush" work. FedEx charges more to get it there faster. Many shops here offer faster turnarounds for a fee. Time is money - ask me to conform my schedule to your suddenly accelerated schedule and that is an additional service not in the original deal we struck.
DougM _________________ Two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2013 Subaru Impreza boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 3277 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ftp2leta wrote: | | Syncroincity wrote: | Print this out on a big sign for your shop;
LACK OF PLANNING ON YOUR PART
DOES NOT CONSTITUTE
AN EMERGENCY ON MY PART. |
You get my vote for president. EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TELL!
Men I like Shakespeare language sometime.
Levi, you didn't get my post. it's ok, I'm French speaking and sometime I guess it can be confusing for English speaking folks.
Let my try again:
The mistake of one is not the mistake of everyone.
A decision should concern you and should not imply everyone else
You made a choice and only you is responsible.
Don't blame a bad decision on anyone else
You acted to fast because your a cry baby
You have no life and think that an object will make you feel stronger.
Your wife made you do it.
you need a new toy to be happy.
Yea, sell your GREAT van for a lazy big RV
Ben |
Now THAT is the kind of french I understand.
As a previous small business owner several times over, I had to deal with plenty of adult-sized children.
I'm glad I misunderstood. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way |
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r39o Samba Polizei

Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9015 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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It is a simple matter at when providing fee based service that there will be times when customers ask for service above what we might perceive as acceptable.
We ALWAYS try to understand the position of the customer and make their wishes come true.
You are simply going to have to adjust to accommodate then, if possible, and fulfill their needs.
Nobody says it will be cheap, though.
I deal with this on a daily basis. Our fee does go up sometimes when the urgency drives it. If we can fit them in, fine. If not, and we have to reschedule things, then the impact is born by the customer. This is not a car business.
When we did have an actiive shop: Making AC lines is a simple matter. We have the crimper and parts. No big deal. Ditto metal lines. Have a cutter, bender and various end shaping tools. Just a matter for fitting them. (I see no compressor there either so that needs fitting, too.) It is going to take a good day to do this job, me thinks.
I would try to fit the customer in, but let them know right away it will not be cheap to drop everything and do the job. He should have thought ahead and at $33K had the AC made functional at the install time.
I do feel for both sides. If I really could not do it fast enough, I would refer them to a good AC shop. We all have other shops we send business to. Might be less stress to send it to a shop that does this as a specialty. _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22 running well...
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noganav Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2006 Posts: 784 Location: San Diego CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Typical crazy rant. Recommend another shop if you can't do the work. This person is your customer, they put food on your table. |
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