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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:33 am    Post subject: Stupid question Reply with quote

If I take off the two hoses that come from the dog house to the heater boxes and plug the holes will the car run cooler? I dont need the heat as its already in the 80s here
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no it will run hotter. Take the tubes off and plug the holes in the bottom tin peice where they went through. If you dont heat will rise up into the engine compartment.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or just plug the holes in the fan shroud with baby food jar caps. Guess they fit well and snug.

Then install your heater hoses so no heat get's in the engine compartment. No heat but still looks stock.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just plug the holes and dont worry about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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no it will run hotter. Take the tubes off and plug the holes in the bottom tin peice where they went through. If you dont heat will rise up into the engine compartment.

Why will it run hotter?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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no it will run hotter. Take the tubes off and plug the holes in the bottom tin peice where they went through. If you dont heat will rise up into the engine compartment.


The heat off of the exhaust will get into yor engine compartment.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why will it run hotter?


Heat and hot air from the exhaust will work its way up through those now-vacated holes in the rear "tin" plate. So even if you cap off the fan shroud openings, you still need to address the openings in the tin. Big rubber stoppers will work. Do you have Ace Hardware over there?

Is there a real reason not to have those two hoses on the engine?

If you can read right to left, you can readily figure out a solution.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha yeah that right to left was a bit hard getting used to lol! We got ACE I have looked at every car part store and hardware store for new hoses and cant find a thing so I thought it might be better to just stop the holes up. I caped the dog house holes with jar lids and filled the bottom holes with big tin foil wads for the time being Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original VW idea was to completely seal off the engine compartment into two sections, a bottom and top. The idea is to keep all the hot air beneath in the lower section where it will be pulled out behind the vehicle as it goes down the road. The top section is supposed to keep cool air inside it, cool air that is supplied by the vents under the rear window and possibly on the lid.

Of course dune buggies and many aftermarket shrouds don't follow that idea. Many have taken huge portions off the rear ends of these vehicles thinking that the greater open area will provide better cooling. They don't take into account that recycled hot air doesn't cool as well as cool air.

If you don't keep your heat exchangers sealed off from letting hot air enter the top engine compartment then you are comprimising the cooling system.

Another original idea by VW was to provide plenty of air to all the parts on the engine that get hot. The hotter they get the more air they need so the more air is directed to these parts by the OEM shrouds.

If you take off the heater hoses but don't plug them then you are allowing air to "leak" and your engine won't be getting enough air.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No by no means did I plan on driving without plugging the heat exchangers no worrys bro I know that much I just wasnt sure if those hoses some how kept the exhuast cooler thus keeping the engine cooler. Thanks for the help!!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you still have the heater boxes in place then you can't remove the hoses. The heater boxes needs the cool air blowing over them to remove the heat or your heads may overheat. If you remove the heater boxes and replace them with J tubes then you can remove the hoses and block off the outlets on the fan shroud but it's recommended to have a 1.5" hole in the plug as this creates the same back pressure as connected heater boxes do. You do not want to change the cooling characteristics inside the fan shroud - it far more complicated than it appears.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heater boxes are still in place problem is I only have one hose thats in bad shape.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duct Tape the bad hose for now.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you still have the heater boxes in place then you can't remove the hoses. The heater boxes needs the cool air blowing over them to remove the heat or your heads may overheat. If you remove the heater boxes and replace them with J tubes then you can remove the hoses and block off the outlets on the fan shroud but it's recommended to have a 1.5" hole in the plug as this creates the same back pressure as connected heater boxes do. You do not want to change the cooling characteristics inside the fan shroud - it far more complicated than it appears.


It always amazes how many people are blissfully unaware that they are making their engines run hotter by doing something they *think* will make it run cooler.

As has already been discussed the only time you should ever block off the shroud outlets is when you no longer have heater boxes.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info guys! I'll try and make some sorta hose then
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem.

Just make sure engine is put back as much to stock with seals and all engine tin so it is all sealed up. Any hole you can look down in the engine compartment and right down to the road is an air leak.

By posting images of the engine in question can allow all here to point out potential problems.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

would be nice if someone made 2.5" discs that can block off those
rear tin bib holes...... , im cutting them by hand , a pita.
the caps make an easy regression path..

and j pipes with the heatwrap will send all the heat , to the guy behind you.
and not your heads,..
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Idea As for plugging the fan housing use a 1-7/8 Freeze plug (Brass) East coast terminology or a 1-7/8 (Steel) soft plug west coat terminology.

I like the Brass look and on a persons seasonal choice they can be swiveled out for the cold weather and heat needs and reinstalled during the warmer weather.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

green73 wrote:
Thanks for the info guys! I'll try and make some sorta hose then


I assume in Israel you have autoparts stores. Measure the size of the hose or take the remaining one in and buy the appropriate sized hose. This is a common part to find and will probably cost you $5.00.

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