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Double69project Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 64 Location: Fresno, CA
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yea the transmission guy said the cone was off 69, if I member right so Idk if that's why _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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75VW110 Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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In looking for all the parts online for updating my beetle, I ran across this on the Cip1 site concerning the shift Rod length (read below). Maybe the PO bought the shorter rod for a later beetle and welded on the extra piece to the shift coupler to make up for the shorter shift rod.
"This shift rod is a Genuine VW new shift rod. These are the same shift rods sold by our competitors and they all state that this rod fit Beetle/Ghia from 1968 to 1979. THIS IS INCORRECT, there were 2 different lengths of shift rods used in these years. From 1968 to 1972, the shift rod was longer and measured 45-1/8 inches long. In 1973, VW moved the shifter position back a small amount and from 1973 to 1979, the shift rods where 43-5/8 inches long. Since the 68-72 shift rod is not available, many customers purchase this later version and lengthen it to fit. "
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC%2D111%2D711%2D155%2DG |
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Double69project Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 64 Location: Fresno, CA
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Okay well I guess that's good then _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26324 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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While the nosecone changed in 73 for a different style of front mount, the gear selector "hockey stick" inside it, plus the shift coupler itself remained the same. |
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Double69project Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 64 Location: Fresno, CA
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I found out when I went to go get my transmission rebuilt that the transmission I have is a 73-74, could this be why the coupler is modded. _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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Double69project Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 64 Location: Fresno, CA
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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True but the new bolt and my old one look so cheap and easily breakable _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26324 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I wouldn't use a bolt. the text called it an "expanding sleeve" for a reason - it's supposed to snug up inside the end of the shift rod. A simple bolt won't fit snugly, and will get looser over time, and may very well rattle around. |
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topconker Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2012 Posts: 48 Location: SALISBURY
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:35 am Post subject: |
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So my theory of replacing the tube with a bolt is sound then as I can tighten it to a snug fit with a lock nut which should last a long time?
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Double69project Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 64 Location: Fresno, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Alright well I'm going to keep my eye open for that solid rod, but for now the new empi part goes on. It doesn't really matter right now because I'm in the middle of restoration and could easily just swap when I find the rod. _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26324 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Double69project wrote: |
is that rod an easy to find thing or is it going to take me forever to find it. looks like a hard to find piece. |
If you mean that 1964 style, that was mostly an FYI. What I meant when I said 64-65, is that particular style only lasted that long... VW didn't keep that solid-rod/slide-clip style coupler after that. It wasn't long before they phased in the style of coupler with the hollow center and the screw.
Oh, and Wolfsburg West does still sell that OEM-VW coupler:
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=311711211
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julrich366 Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2006 Posts: 1306 Location: N.E. Ohio - aka "The Rustbelt"
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Double69project wrote: |
is that rod an easy to find thing or is it going to take me forever to find it. looks like a hard to find piece. |
Probably shouldn't hold your breath waiting to find one. The couplers you'll find now are almost 100% like the one in the OP's photo. You'll have to get a used one by keeping an eye on the Classifieds or at swap meets. But they may not come up very often.
When I replaced on a previous VW, I kept the original "cage" (cause the new one looked so crappy compared to the old one) and just swapped out the new rubber/urethrane pieces. Unfortunately you may find the same that people don't get rid of the older ones 'cause the new ones are generally not as nice.
Good luck. _________________ - John
'74 Vert ..lot's to still do. |
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Double69project Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 64 Location: Fresno, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: |
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is that rod an easy to find thing or is it going to take me forever to find it. looks like a hard to find piece. _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26324 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:37 am Post subject: |
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The factory style tube in the middle is supposed to fit fairly snugly in the hole through the shift rod. When it doesn't, a rattling noise can develop along the shift rod.
The best new coupler I've ever bought was this one, from Wolfsburg West a few years ago. I very much try to avoid aftermarket ones, and won't go near red urethane.
By the way, when the cage style coupler was first introduced in 64-65 it didn't have a tube/screw type attachment, instead it had a solid metal rod that was held on with a slide clip (which could develop that same rattle if it was a loose fit)
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Double69project Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:31 am Post subject: |
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was thinking bout changing my bolt to feels very cheap, but i don't no much either first time messing with it... _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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topconker Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to hijack your thread, but I'm about to change my coupling and have bought an after market one.
Looking at it, I'm not impressed so thinking about just using the rubbers and fitting a bolt through rather than the rolled steel tube and screw that was originally fitted, what do you think?
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Double69project Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 64 Location: Fresno, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Should i use what was on there or new?(lots bolt for extra clamp) _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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Dismas Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2010 Posts: 184 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:43 am Post subject: |
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looks to me like the guy just wanted extra assurance the coupler wouldn't slip, so he tacked on a pinch collar.
between that and the regular grub, I imagine it wouldn'tbe slipping. _________________ 69/70 chop refurbed from a 70 baja |
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Double69project Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 64 Location: Fresno, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Oh and empi part number is #16-5103-0 _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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Double69project Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:32 am Post subject: |
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no looks like an empi one just like new just old, and as far as i can tell the welded on piece seems to be like a spacer.
I mite just use new screws and rubber old part. ill go shot some purple power on old one and see how it cleans up . _________________ If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you must have time to do it over. |
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15985 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Does the old one look like an original VW part (VW part#)?
If the old coupler cage (metal part) is still in good shape... clean it up and use just the poly parts from the new coupler.
As far as the welded part... what does it do? _________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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