Any interest in a stock German VW crank w/chevy rod journals

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Hello Samba-land.....

I've recently been going through the 100's of cranks I have and got an idea. I have at least 100, if not more, German stock crank cores that are either stock or can be ground to .010 on the main journals. The problem with these cranks is that there's one rod journal on each one that is worn past .040. My idea(and it's probably not an original one) is to grind these cranks to have stock chevy rod journals. So the questions is, would anyone want to buy these? Right now I am selling stock reground German cranks for $119. Since it's going to take much longer to grind the rod journals down to Chevy, I'm thinking the price should be about $169.

Thoughts?

[vdubnut58]

Sad to waste all those cranks. But my .2 Why would you want a smaller bearing and a higher price tag? I don't see the up side to this.

[jfats808]

Tbh Roy,
It's a tough call. For 175$ you can get a 69mm cw crank from Jose at DPR machine. People are getting smarter and running cw balanced internals now days. I don't build enough engines.yearly to survey , but most 69 stroke engines I build I always recommend cw and balanced. It's not much of a conversation struggle to talk a customer into a stroker build for a few more hundred anyways. My take on it. Jon
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[Jake Raby]

Every one of them would need to be magnafulxed before doing anything... Then the oiling passages need modification because they move so far when cutting that much off the diameter of the journal.. It could be done for sure, but its a lot of work to do it right.
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[mcmscott]

You could offset grind them and have an "econo" stroker crank

[mark tucker]

[50ate]

econo stroker? he would want 169 for the stock crank reworked.. cant you get a CW CB stroker crank for 175-250ish for a new depending on stroke Iv never used one yet but is it safe to say that the cb cranks are decent?

[slalombuggy]

If someone wanted a lower rpm stroker for a cruiser it would be a good choice. Not everyone who builds a stroker motor are looking for 5000+ rpm performance. I'm sure there a guys looking for a bit more hill climbing torque without needed a C/W crank who this would benefit.

brad

[50ate]

ah i see.. Im new to this motor thing and am gonna be building a 74x85.5 stroker for my bus..would this be a good crank choice?

[spencerfvee]

hi roy. we ran into that at a shop i worked at . now adays. every one is selling those cheap cast cranks . and flooding the market with them . we did not grind cranks at our shop . so we took them to a shop that did grind cranks . they wanted $125.00 to grind one crank. we said for get it . not worth it .so we sold good used vw crank when we had them or we sold a cheap new cast crank . and roy for us to ship the cranks to DPR . the shipping cost would be out of this world. so we scraped 365 vw cranks . and moved on. you might check into buying a crank welder . and weld them . but i dont think that would be worth it . just scrap them roy it would be cheaper in the long run lol lol spencerfvee

[DarthWeber]

Gotta disagree with you Spence, in this day and age I wouldn't trash any original VW part if there is a chance it can be worked and saved. I'm with Mark Tucker on this (I can't believe I said that) but if it's just not economical to keep those cranks then at least contact Jose @ DPR and see if some sort of deal could be reached.

In my opinion, if it came down to a welded, ground, counterweighted, 74mm stroker crank from DPR vs. a forged piece from China, Jose would win hands down - JMHO.

Cast VW cranks......why take a step backwards.
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[spencerfvee]

oh my god you agree with mark lol and darth the sad thing was most of the cranks only needed to be ground 10 under . if we had the cranks ground at $125.00 we would have asked $190 to $200.00 for the reground cranks . buggy guys wont pay that much for a stock crank lol. not when they can buy a EMPI 69mm counter weighted forged crank for $250.00 . or a cast crank for $150.00...that was over two years ago that they scraped the cranks . i am not with them any more . and look what guys are saying to roy that $169.00 is to much to pay for a re ground crank .. guys just wont pay it darth and darth shipping cost are real hight now adays . . now every one friday the 13 is comming be carefull lol lol spencerfvee

[vdubnut58]

Just call GEX. I bet they would buy them.

[earthquake]

DPR has these on his web page, they are listed as a 73mm stroke...
http://www.dprmachine.com/Html%20Files/cranks_type_1a.htm
Maybe he will buy them from you by the pound.

Casey
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[vwracerdave]

VW people are cheap. If you can get the price down to $139 outright for a stock offset ground 71-72mm crank with Chevy rods you'll sell a bunch. For $200 I'm buying a new Chinese crank. No matter what the haters say the new Chinese cranks are plenty good enough for a 180 HP engine.
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[modok]

If they are straightened and magnafluxed and ground to give correct clearance and fit to a flywheel and balanced then it is an ok idea
That should cost about 250$ to do, market is small
Roy works for peanuts, I like peanuts too, spanish peanuts the best

Dave, WTF you ON man, sayin china cranks are good stuff? you know better

[miniman82]

He said for $200.

To shill for Berg on this issue he'd need $600...
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[earthquake]

OK
Who's going to offer a cheap set of "I" beam Chevy rods? I thought about using one of the DPR cranks for a single port build I was thinking about, but could not find a set of rods.

Casey
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[mark tucker]

cb has the cheep I beam as does aa&others.I think the last set of 5.5 cb were about $90. but I do like the aa rods with capscrews.(and the cb ground off the beam)
what do you mean cast dont work???hmm over 65000miles, hard zinger miles on my cast 78.8mm in my 2028.& fixen to build a budget, very low budget 82mm cast scrap motor that will probably out last me.it,s a good way to get all the still usable parts in 1 spot&make room for more new stuff!!( it will probably get a new cam&lifters,got them sitten on the shelf taken up space,cb&engle)