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tacostacos
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 Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: Type 4 motor in a early bay tin. |
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I've started to worry about the engine tin situation on my 69. Some PO put an 1800 in it at some point. I've had it for a few months and so far its ran well, but its been cool, now that its starting to heat up I'm a bit worried its going to over heat. I know it has some tin, but it's obvious it missing the tin that seals around the motor to the motor compartment, lower tin and the part that goes over the bell housing on the trans. I' guess what I'm getting at is:
1. Is the motor at high risk to over heat without the tin?
2. Can I create my own tin to seal off the motor compartment? The rear apron appears to have been hacked quite a bit to get the 1800 to fit so I dont' think stock tin will work.
Heres a crappy pic i have.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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1: Yes, the motor is a risk
2: Please fab up some tin. Even if it looks bad it's better than nothing. Try to source a template for the T-4 into a T-1 tins.
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tacostacos
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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I've read alot about how great the DTM system and I guess I don't understand the way the typ4 is setup, is the type for turned on its side?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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type for? type FOUR
it's not on it's side. It's four flat cylinders. Busdaddy started a thread some time ago about what it requires to fit a type four into an early bus, and in that thread there is talk of newly fabbed fiberglass conversion tins.
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babysnakes
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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T-4 is configured the same as a T-1 (more or less). The cooling fan is now behind the motor instead of on top of it. If you can find the correct T-4 rear tin and some T-1 side and front tin you could hack together something that could pass. You need to keep a 1'2"+/- gap around the motor and frame for the foam gasket.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| secretsubmariner wrote: | type for? type FOUR
Busdaddy started a thread some time ago about what it requires to fit a type four into an early bus |
My good man that thread was for T-1 into a late Bay. Much easier than the above pic. However, If you can seal up the open spaces and the engine is healthy, it should outlast the T-1 that belongs in there.
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secretsubmariner
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Well crap, after more searching it looks like the discussion I mentioned was type 1 into a later bay. surely the opposite exists. But here is what I was talking about. Sorry.
http://www.creativecarcraft.com/notforbug.htm
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secretsubmariner
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| babysnakes wrote: | | secretsubmariner wrote: | type for? type FOUR
Busdaddy started a thread some time ago about what it requires to fit a type four into an early bus |
My good man that thread was for T-1 into a late Bay. Much easier than the above pic. However, If you can seal up the open spaces and the engine is healthy, it should outlast the T-1 that belongs in there. |
Damn right, rumor has it that busdaddy is actually Gandalf, as he survived into modern times.
I've seen tins fabbed from old license plates. If you can cut them right and leave space for the foam seal, you have it made. Gotta be a baller using a sawzall or something though 
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babysnakes
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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This is my engine. Doesn't help this thread though. The opposite of this is what is needed.
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tacostacos
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Does anybody have a good pic of what a stock type 4 looks like with all of its tin or break down of how it goes together. I'll check ratwell for a pic.
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babysnakes
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Have you looked through here?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=281850
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secretsubmariner
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Aye, that's one of the sexiest threads on the whole website.
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tacostacos
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone got some old license plates they don't need?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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You're on the right track here, but I think there are WAY better places to fish for stuff like that. i went to a local flea market and found 50+ license plates priced to sell.
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tacostacos
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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I put ad on Craigslist for some fee ones, I a few laying around the garage as well.
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secretsubmariner
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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sweet dude. If I had any I'd send 'em to you. If you do manage to fab something up, please by all means post!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Whack the back end off of a Type 4 powered bus and graft it onto the rear of your Type 1 bus. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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The objective here is no road visible from above with the fan inlet on the upper side of whatever you install. Since your PO bestowed you with a hack there's really nothing off the shelf that will bolt on or come from a pattern, you'll have to use roof flashing, license plates, rubber roof sheet, whatever to atach the sides of the engine to the bus so warm air can't go up and cool air all goes to the fan. The DTM kit is great if your PO didn't break out the tin snips, saw, torch, axe, whatever but it's too late now so you'll have to improvise. 72+ bus, VW 411/412 or Porsche 914 tin from the classifieds all fit the engine and may help you with some of the trickier curves, but you'll still have to adapt where it meets the bus.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I have some of the tin that wraps around the front your missing there. PM me if you want it. |
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tacostacos
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure this will bring plenty of criticism. It's not perfect and it's not pretty, hopefully it will help a bit. It's not completely sealed off and I still have to figure out how to do something over the front around the bell housing.
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