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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Problem with Tumbler Reply with quote

So the other day I went to open my rear hatch and it appeared to be locked. I would push the button in but it didn't unlock anything. I tried the key and when I turned it counter clockwise and pulled, the tumbler came out.

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What do I do now? The door is currently locked. I need to get it open and fix the lock.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a screwdriver in there and try to twist the locking mechanism to the unlocked postition, the tumbler does this motion with the key, look on it for the flanges that would spread out to hit the contact points, and twitst it the direction you normally would.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are going to have to get the inner panel off the hatch and find the screw and lever that has come off of the lock, hopefully the wafers don't pop out of the cylinder when you remove the key, careful.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave the key in, oir the tumblers WILL come out, they're spring loaded. As has been said, pull off the inner panel and find the screw and lever that are missing. Reassemble. Once you have the inner panel off, you'll be able to open the door too, regardless of the position or lack of lock tumbler.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

timo78 wrote:
Get a screwdriver in there and try to twist the locking mechanism to the unlocked postition, the tumbler does this motion with the key, look on it for the flanges that would spread out to hit the contact points, and twitst it the direction you normally would.


There's nothing to twist, the inner end of the cylinder has a 90 degree lever screwed on to it normally and when it's in the locked position it misses the lever on the latch when you push it, the latch has no locked position internally, when you turn the cylinder to unlocked the lever contacts the lever on the latch and pushes it. You could open it externally with the cylinder out with a piece of heavy rod or a cheap screwdriver with the end bent 90 degrees, feel around for the lever just infront of the handle body. But you still need to get inside the hatch to recover the parts that have fallen off.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. I'll try to open the door this week.

If I do get it open, how can I fix the lock? do I need to replace it? Is it broke or did something just come loose? If I can fix it, is this something a locksmith would do?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should be able to screw the lever back on when you find the lever and screw in the bottom of the hatch, if you took the key out of the cylinder and the guts went flying take it to a locksmith.

If you do have to remove the handle to take it to the locksmith make sure you have a good quality, sharp #2 phillips screwdriver, you only get one shot at that super tight rusty screw that holds it in and stripping it will make a simple job go sideways fast.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might almost need a magnifing glass to see that screw wherever it went. It is super, super minature. At least on earlier Bays, once you have the inside panel off you can just trip the mechanism to open the hatch. I even made a small extension for the latch the protrudes a bit thru a new hole in the panel so the hatch can easily be opened from the inside. Don't do it if you have little kids. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The screw that holds on the lever isn't that small 5mm IIRC, the screw that holds the cylinder into the handle is though, if you don't locate it it's not the end of the world the lock will still work but will be able to be turned past 90 degrees, skill testing but not impossible to lock or unlock.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so I did what you guys said. From the inside, I opened up the back panel and exposed the lock mechanism.

The screw that holds the lever in place, fell out and then the lever fell out. (don't know if I'm using the correct terminology Smile

I took some pics so people could see.

Here is a pic of what it looked like once I took the panel off.
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Here is what the lever and the screw looked like.
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Here is what the lever and screw look like once they're back in.
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It's all fixed now.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just had the same thing happen with my '71 driver's door lock.........the tumbler came out w the key.
Is the solution the same for the driver's door as it was the rear hatch......find the lever and screw?
Thanks for the helpful pix, Casey.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes that should be it. The end that you will be looking for is a loop with a pin at a right angle.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks WM......hope to get on that tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't take the key out of the cylinder unless you are holding on to all the wafers and can tape them in after the key is removed, when they and thier tiny springs fall out you'll be sorry.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks BD.
Well.........the lever and screw are in place.......looks like my tumbler is broken.
After I find another tumbler or complete handle reckon this thread will be very helpful to re key the new tumbler:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84790&highlight=tumbler
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one will likely help too: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=312340
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it will, thanks again BD.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My rear hatch lock on my '77 bus wouldn't lock, by way that although the key fit fine, it wouldn't turn the tumbler, no matter the jiggling, angle, depth, prayers or curses. The key works great in all the other locks and ignition. I lubed the hatch lock, and let it set. Two days past, I'm fooling around with it and, viola! It locked! Now it won't unlock Rolling Eyes

Also, I found a newly cut key in a very old 'Hideakey' box in the engine compartment. Even that new cut key from twenty years ago won't unlock the rear hatch.

I figure to remove the lock in its entirety and take it to 'the man', but I'd like to hear from other folks that experienced this, and what did you do about it?

By the way, the same lock on my '73 gives me a little bit of trouble, too.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rear hatches aren't used much so they tend to seize more. Hit it with some penetrating oil and play with it and it should free up. It could use a good cleaning to prevent any other problems.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lubed the keyway/lock prior to this. Everything feels right, but it won't turn with the key. I wonder if there might be a pin spring that might be broken. It did work nicely that one time. Probably easier/faster to remove the whole thing and have a locksmith have a go at it.
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