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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: Clevis Pins and Clutch arms (78 Bus) Reply with quote

Hi All,

A couple of questions..

1. In this pic, you'll see two clevis pins. The bottom one is from Bus Depot and fits properly. The downside is that the pin does not rotate.

The top was purchased from someone here in the Samba classifieds. The pin rorates, but it's too large to fit my 78 Bus. Can anyone say what this part is supposed to fit?

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2. Below is a pic of a clutch arm for the late bay bus.

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I'm wondering if anyone knows of an arm which is longer so that when the pedal is pushed, the clutch itself is moved proportionately more?

The backstory is that my bus is modified (TDI engine) and the Kennedy Stage 2 clutch is a bear to get disengaged. I could use a little more travel and a longer clutch arm seems like one way to do that. I could always weld something, but if some other model already has it, that would be easier Smile

Thanks much!

Mark
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not aware of a longer front arm but early beetle and bus arms are shorter at the transmission end, look up Samba member Bruce in the classifieds for a photo of the different arms.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:08 pm    Post subject: clevis pin and lever Reply with quote

There are Early and late clevis pins & pivot levers

Early pin 211 721 351
Early lever 211 721 374

Late model 72-79
pin 211 721 351A
lever 211 721 319C

The problem with the repop pin's is just that! and are of
poor quality.

And i only found 2 vendors that list the late model lever.
cip1 and wolfgang int.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: clevis pin and lever Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
I'm not aware of a longer front arm but early beetle and bus arms are shorter at the transmission end, look up Samba member Bruce in the classifieds for a photo of the different arms.


Thanks Busdaddy Smile
I've already got what seems to be the shortest lever on the trans itself. I know something there could be welded too, I guess.

old DKP driver wrote:
There are Early and late clevis pins & pivot levers

Early pin 211 721 351
Early lever 211 721 374

Late model 72-79
pin 211 721 351A
lever 211 721 319C

The problem with the repop pin's is just that! and are of
poor quality.

And i only found 2 vendors that list the late model lever.
cip1 and wolfgang int.


Got it, so the top clevis pin is for an early bay and the bottom is for the late bay.

Do you know if the early lever is larger than the late lever?

Thanks much!
Mark
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:12 pm    Post subject: Late pivot lever Reply with quote

Markd89,

Yes the late pivot lever And the clevis pin are longer
than the early style.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone ever had an issue with the clevis pin coming off? I thought I had snapped my clutch cable but it turned out the clevis pin was just gone when I went to replace it. On the new clevis pin (bus depot) I wrapped some galvanized wire around where it attaches to the cable so hopefully that won't happen again.

On a side note to the OP, what do you mean when you say one rotates and the other does not?


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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stuco wrote:
Has anyone ever had an issue with the clevis pin coming off? I thought I had snapped my clutch cable but it turned out the clevis pin was just gone when I went to replace it. On the new clevis pin I wrapped some galvanized wire around where it attaches to the cable so hopefully that won't happen again.

On a side note to the OP, what do you mean when you say one rotates and the other does not?


Most clevis pins sold for the late bays, the pin part is solidly connected to the rest of it. You rely on the pin to swivel in the hole of the arm.

On the original equipment, the pin itself can rotate on the clevis pin piece by itself. Then the swiveling is taken up by the clevis pin rather than the pin within the hole of the arm.

Clear as mud?

One vendor selling these is http://www.germansupply.com/home/customer/product.php?productid=16677&cat=294&page=1

Note, there is a person selling items in the classifieds is selling 211 721 351 which is for the earlier bay. Unfortunately I bought a couple and they don't work for my application. For the look of it the seller has yet to correct her ad. Her item is not 211 721 351 A. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1184885
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly a good part to carry a spare of, or at least inspect every 50K miles or so and replace if necessary. I worn through one side of the clevis once while the pin sheared on the other side. I limped through downtown Portland at rush hour without being able to release the clutch and was able to make it to an VW specialty shop just as they closed. They had a cable, but not a new pin. Can't remember what I did, but I was somehow able to jury rig things to get me on my way again.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly a good part to carry a spare of, or at least inspect every 50K miles or so and replace if necessary. I worn through one side of the clevis once while the pin sheared on the other side. I limped through downtown Portland at rush hour without being able to release the clutch and was able to make it to an VW specialty shop just as they closed. They had a cable, but not a new pin. Can't remember what I did, but I was somehow able to jury rig things to get me on my way again.

Bracing or welding up the hole in the little arm and redrilling it every decade is probably not a bad idea either.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will definitely be picking up a couple of these as spares, no need to be stuck on the side of the road for something so small. When mine broke the other day I had to work it into gear to get home without the use of the clutch. At least I wasn't too far away. We should add the clutch clevis pin to the 'must have while traveling' tool/parts kit.

So do you guys think the swivel type is preferable? It seems like it would be easier to snap to me.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stuco wrote:
So do you guys think the swivel type is preferable? It seems like it would be easier to snap to me.


Since I can easily repair the hole in the little arm, I would opt for a fixed pin. Others might better opt for a swivel pin.
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