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markd89 Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:17 pm Post subject: Clevis Pins and Clutch arms (78 Bus) |
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Hi All,
A couple of questions..
1. In this pic, you'll see two clevis pins. The bottom one is from Bus Depot and fits properly. The downside is that the pin does not rotate.
The top was purchased from someone here in the Samba classifieds. The pin rorates, but it's too large to fit my 78 Bus. Can anyone say what this part is supposed to fit?
2. Below is a pic of a clutch arm for the late bay bus.
I'm wondering if anyone knows of an arm which is longer so that when the pedal is pushed, the clutch itself is moved proportionately more?
The backstory is that my bus is modified (TDI engine) and the Kennedy Stage 2 clutch is a bear to get disengaged. I could use a little more travel and a longer clutch arm seems like one way to do that. I could always weld something, but if some other model already has it, that would be easier
Thanks much!
Mark |
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 23863 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, Land of the giant flying moose!
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not aware of a longer front arm but early beetle and bus arms are shorter at the transmission end, look up Samba member Bruce in the classifieds for a photo of the different arms. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 2231 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: clevis pin and lever |
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There are Early and late clevis pins & pivot levers
Early pin 211 721 351
Early lever 211 721 374
Late model 72-79
pin 211 721 351A
lever 211 721 319C
The problem with the repop pin's is just that! and are of
poor quality.
And i only found 2 vendors that list the late model lever.
cip1 and wolfgang int. _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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markd89 Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: clevis pin and lever |
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| busdaddy wrote: | | I'm not aware of a longer front arm but early beetle and bus arms are shorter at the transmission end, look up Samba member Bruce in the classifieds for a photo of the different arms. |
Thanks Busdaddy
I've already got what seems to be the shortest lever on the trans itself. I know something there could be welded too, I guess.
| old DKP driver wrote: | There are Early and late clevis pins & pivot levers
Early pin 211 721 351
Early lever 211 721 374
Late model 72-79
pin 211 721 351A
lever 211 721 319C
The problem with the repop pin's is just that! and are of
poor quality.
And i only found 2 vendors that list the late model lever.
cip1 and wolfgang int. |
Got it, so the top clevis pin is for an early bay and the bottom is for the late bay.
Do you know if the early lever is larger than the late lever?
Thanks much!
Mark |
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 2231 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: Late pivot lever |
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Markd89,
Yes the late pivot lever And the clevis pin are longer
than the early style. _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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stuco Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone ever had an issue with the clevis pin coming off? I thought I had snapped my clutch cable but it turned out the clevis pin was just gone when I went to replace it. On the new clevis pin (bus depot) I wrapped some galvanized wire around where it attaches to the cable so hopefully that won't happen again.
On a side note to the OP, what do you mean when you say one rotates and the other does not?
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markd89 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| stuco wrote: | Has anyone ever had an issue with the clevis pin coming off? I thought I had snapped my clutch cable but it turned out the clevis pin was just gone when I went to replace it. On the new clevis pin I wrapped some galvanized wire around where it attaches to the cable so hopefully that won't happen again.
On a side note to the OP, what do you mean when you say one rotates and the other does not? |
Most clevis pins sold for the late bays, the pin part is solidly connected to the rest of it. You rely on the pin to swivel in the hole of the arm.
On the original equipment, the pin itself can rotate on the clevis pin piece by itself. Then the swiveling is taken up by the clevis pin rather than the pin within the hole of the arm.
Clear as mud?
One vendor selling these is http://www.germansupply.com/home/customer/product.php?productid=16677&cat=294&page=1
Note, there is a person selling items in the classifieds is selling 211 721 351 which is for the earlier bay. Unfortunately I bought a couple and they don't work for my application. For the look of it the seller has yet to correct her ad. Her item is not 211 721 351 A. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1184885 |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Certainly a good part to carry a spare of, or at least inspect every 50K miles or so and replace if necessary. I worn through one side of the clevis once while the pin sheared on the other side. I limped through downtown Portland at rush hour without being able to release the clutch and was able to make it to an VW specialty shop just as they closed. They had a cable, but not a new pin. Can't remember what I did, but I was somehow able to jury rig things to get me on my way again. |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Certainly a good part to carry a spare of, or at least inspect every 50K miles or so and replace if necessary. I worn through one side of the clevis once while the pin sheared on the other side. I limped through downtown Portland at rush hour without being able to release the clutch and was able to make it to an VW specialty shop just as they closed. They had a cable, but not a new pin. Can't remember what I did, but I was somehow able to jury rig things to get me on my way again.
Bracing or welding up the hole in the little arm and redrilling it every decade is probably not a bad idea either. |
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stuco Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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I will definitely be picking up a couple of these as spares, no need to be stuck on the side of the road for something so small. When mine broke the other day I had to work it into gear to get home without the use of the clutch. At least I wasn't too far away. We should add the clutch clevis pin to the 'must have while traveling' tool/parts kit.
So do you guys think the swivel type is preferable? It seems like it would be easier to snap to me. |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| stuco wrote: | | So do you guys think the swivel type is preferable? It seems like it would be easier to snap to me. |
Since I can easily repair the hole in the little arm, I would opt for a fixed pin. Others might better opt for a swivel pin. |
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