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beebeecivic
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 Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject: Are all vw oil Drain gasket the same? |
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I am in the proccess of changing the oil on the beetle. I want to to know whether if all the gaskets are the same? I'm trying to buy from either pepboys or autozone.
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Bruce
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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They're all the same from 61 and later.
Take your magnet with you to test the "copper" sealing washers.
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beebeecivic
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Bruce thanks for the reply. I went and got the felpro gasket set and it works great!
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Bruce
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:11 am Post subject: |
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I didn't know they made those gaskets. What type of material was it?
Did the copper washers pass the magnet test?
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slik
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Ok. I'm new to all of this. What's the copper and magnet test? Thanks |
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beebeecivic
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vwsteve
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| If you mean quality, then no. At $6.10, they ought to be gold instead of copper. |
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beebeecivic
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| vwsteve wrote: |
| If you mean quality, then no. At $6.10, they ought to be gold instead of copper. |
At Pepboys its 2.99 and Autozone has it for 3.99
I dont understand why Amazon has it for 6.10
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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It's because of the "FREE" shipping
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Bruce
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| slik wrote: |
| Ok. I'm new to all of this. What's the copper and magnet test? |
Copper is soft enough that it can conform to any irregular surface and provide a good seal. That's why VW used copper washers.
In an attempt to save .1¢, the aftermarket makers of the gasket sets usually provide steel washers that DON'T seal. Then to try to hide their deceit, they get them copper plated to look right.
Test them with a magnet. Copper is non-magnetic so the washers won't stick to the magnet. Steel will.
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slik
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce wrote: |
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| Ok. I'm new to all of this. What's the copper and magnet test? |
Copper is soft enough that it can conform to any irregular surface and provide a good seal. That's why VW used copper washers.
In an attempt to save .1¢, the aftermarket makers of the gasket sets usually provide steel washers that DON'T seal. Then to try to hide their deceit, they get them copper plated to look right.
Test them with a magnet. Copper is non-magnetic so the washers won't stick to the magnet. Steel will. |
That's an awesome and super helpful explanation thanks n I'm right on it! The new 63 I bought is caked with oil under the engine. Like black gooey dirt. Tons of it. Maybe the PO use a non copper gasket and it has a slow leak. Thanks again! This sites awesome |
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Bruce
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I was just looking under my engine earlier. All 6 acorn nuts are dry. Two months since the last oil change when they were last touched. That's what copper washers will do for you.
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce wrote: |
They're all the same from 61 and later.
Take your magnet with you to test the "copper" sealing washers. |
They are not all the same. Deluxe 1200 40 hp through the 70's single and dual port are the same.
Standard , sedan "A" , 1200 " A", and Canadian 1200 Customs use the small strainer gaskets found on all 36hp engines built until August of 1965. Those later up to Aug. 65 36hp engines also have the drain hole in the strainer cover instead of the drain being threaded into the engine case.
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: |
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I do a trick to help prevent the strainer plate oil drip. I coat both gaskets liberally with grease. It seems to prevent any oil from seeping out. And if the grease gets into the engine it won't do any harm.
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Bruce
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Helfen wrote: |
| Bruce wrote: |
They're all the same from 61 and later.
Take your magnet with you to test the "copper" sealing washers. |
They are not all the same. Deluxe 1200 40 hp through the 70's single and dual port are the same.
Standard , sedan "A" , 1200 " A", and Canadian 1200 Customs use the small strainer gaskets found on all 36hp engines built until August of 1965.
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Canadian Standards from 61 onward had 40hp engines, not 36hp.
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| Bruce wrote: |
| Helfen wrote: |
| Bruce wrote: |
They're all the same from 61 and later.
Take your magnet with you to test the "copper" sealing washers. |
They are not all the same. Deluxe 1200 40 hp through the 70's single and dual port are the same.
Standard , sedan "A" , 1200 " A", and Canadian 1200 Customs use the small strainer gaskets found on all 36hp engines built until August of 1965.
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Canadian Standards from 61 onward had 40hp engines, not 36hp. |
No, 1200 Customs have 36 hp engines to Aug of 65. They and all Type 111's of 1965 are also the last year of bolt down,stud through the floor claw and wing nut hold down for the seats.
All 1200 A cars or type 111 get the 1200 40hp for the first time beginning in the 1966 model year, and will keep that engine and swing axle until the the end of Beetle production in Germany Jan 1978. |
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Bruce
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce wrote: |
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| Bruce wrote: |
They're all the same from 61 and later.
Take your magnet with you to test the "copper" sealing washers. |
They are not all the same. Deluxe 1200 40 hp through the 70's single and dual port are the same.
Standard , sedan "A" , 1200 " A", and Canadian 1200 Customs use the small strainer gaskets found on all 36hp engines built until August of 1965.
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Canadian Standards from 61 onward had 40hp engines, not 36hp. |
No, 1200 Customs have 36 hp engines to Aug of 65. |
You're wrong.
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EverettB 
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce wrote: |
| Helfen wrote: |
| Bruce wrote: |
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| Bruce wrote: |
They're all the same from 61 and later.
Take your magnet with you to test the "copper" sealing washers. |
They are not all the same. Deluxe 1200 40 hp through the 70's single and dual port are the same.
Standard , sedan "A" , 1200 " A", and Canadian 1200 Customs use the small strainer gaskets found on all 36hp engines built until August of 1965.
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Canadian Standards from 61 onward had 40hp engines, not 36hp. |
No, 1200 Customs have 36 hp engines to Aug of 65. |
You're wrong. |
Here's a 1961 Canadian Brochure
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/61beetle_canada.php
Page 4 says 40hp:
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:47 am Post subject: |
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 As a VW engine builder have done them all from the early 25hp up to the 2.0 engines over a 28 yr span.
VW did introduce a different HP engines over time. Largest mkt was the US.
As I recall VW had the 1st 40hp in the 59-60 T2 van before coming out with the engine in the 61 bug...a two yr trial period in Europe.
Having built over 1000 engimes cpuld give a small lecture on the small diffeerences but will not bore anyone here.
VW made a lot of small changes in design over the yrs....some good and others BAD. |
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bruce jones
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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In an attempt to save .1¢, the aftermarket makers of the gasket sets usually provide steel washers that DON'T seal. Then to try to hide their deceit, they get them copper plated to look right.
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And the aftermarket finds yet another way to screw up the simplest things.
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