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jollyrogerthat1369
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 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:09 am Post subject: Seat differences on Bugs (pics would be nice) |
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| I have a 64 Bug and don't know if I have the 64 earlier seats or the 65-67 seats. If anyone can post pics of the driver and passenger side bottom frames/mechanisms and the back frames that would be awesome!! |
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jollyrogerthat1369
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| found a couple of threads just a page or two into the forum. There is just sooooooo much info here that searching for a topic is almost overwhelming LOL |
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slik
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| jollyrogerthat1369 wrote: |
| found a couple of threads just a page or two into the forum. There is just sooooooo much info here that searching for a topic is almost overwhelming LOL |
Yeah. I found that out too. I just bought a 63 and the passenger seat is taller than the drivers. But fits in the rails perfect. I'm sure it's a replacement from another year. It'd be cool to see examples of different seats and how to tell them apart. I want to put a wanted ad on CL but want the lower backrest like the drivers and don't know what to write. Is that a 63? |
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jollyrogerthat1369
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Even after searching and reding everything I can find here I'm still lost on my seats LOL .. I ahd the same problem when I had to find a replacemnt for my 56 seat. I look at vendor sites for seat covers and it says 57-64 are rounded on the tops of the backrests, and 65 to 67 are square, but then I read different here. I don't have the lock lever on the lower mech which came on 65 nor do I have the lock lever on the seat back side, but I do have square shaped seat backs... OMG so confusing. i should have bought a 63 instead of a 64 LOL
I'm going to take a bunch of pics today and post them and see what the Samba public has to say. |
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RareAir
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:12 am Post subject: |
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One 1956-64 seats, the back rest is free to hinge forward. Grab the back rest, try shoving it forward, if it moves it's a 1956-64 seat.
1965-66 later seats have a locking mechanism to prevent the back rest from freely moving forward. To allow the back rest to move, the operator must reach down and move a lever to unlock the back rest.
1967 seats, the lever is moved along the side of the back rest. Much easier to access than reaching all the way down to the bottom seat frame.
1968-later seat frames feature integral head rests
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offshores
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:32 am Post subject: |
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To my knowledge 65 seats will have only the one lever to move the seat back forward like this pic shows
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DSC_9253 by offshores, on Flickr
and 66 seats will have this type of lever with black frames
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DSC_9203 by offshores, on Flickr
maybe you somehow have the wrong seat pads on your 64 seats??? Not even sure it would work, but sounds like that's what you're describing. Or you have 65-66 seat backs on 64 and earlier bottoms... |
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jollyrogerthat1369
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: |
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I thinking I have 65 seats or one 65 and one 67, I can't tell without taking the cover off the passenger seat feels like it may have the release level on the seat back... what ya all think??
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vwlovr73
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| I just bought a 63 and the passenger seat is taller than the drivers. But fits in the rails perfect. I'm sure it's a replacement from another year. |
My '63 seats are different too. Not sure which is the replacement. Might replace them both, they're super rough.
On the driver side, the recliner knob on mine has sort of gouged in to the rubber on the tunnel, so I guess I can't say Mine's a perfect fit. Neither has the lever to move the seat back forward though, they move freely.
My passenger seat is a little taller and a lot squarer, but it is a better fit (reclines, fine). It's also missing pretty much ALL the padding, so the shape is really wonky due to that also. And obviously the seat covers are different, neither is original either...
Seats'll be a winter project since they can be done indoors. So I guess I'll find out for sure then. Such is life in the upper midwest...
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RareAir
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| jollyrogerthat1369 wrote: |
I thinking I have 65 seats or one 65 and one 67, I can't tell without taking the cover off the passenger seat feels like it may have the release level on the seat back... what ya all think??
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I think you're right. You have a single 1965/66 seat & a single 1967-only seat
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RareAir
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| jollyrogerthat1369 wrote: |
I thinking I have 65 seats or one 65 and one 67, I can't tell without taking the cover off the passenger seat feels like it may have the release level on the seat back... what ya all think??
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I think you're right. You have a single 1965/66 seat & a single 1967-only seat
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jollyrogerthat1369
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| jollyrogerthat1369 wrote: |
I thinking I have 65 seats or one 65 and one 67, I can't tell without taking the cover off the passenger seat feels like it may have the release level on the seat back... what ya all think??
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I think you're right. You have a single 1965/66 seat & a single 1967-only seat |
Now the search begins for seats.. why is it so common for the cars to have the wrong seats?? |
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Endicott jb
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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There are many differences in seats between the years. 58 thru 64 have a bar that comes across the backside of the back rest. 65 is a one year only seat as it has no bar on the top of the backrest and it DOES NOT have the latches. 66 has the latches on the bottom and the frames are black with white knobs. In 67, they again changed the seats to have the lever up more on the backrest and the frames are also black but unlike 66, the knobs are all black. Never ever put 64 and down seat covers on a 65, 66, or 67 seat frame as over time, you will rip the top edge on the seatback. Typically on the outside edge where most stress of the fabric occurs from getting in and out of the car.
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Endicott jb
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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These are the 64 and earlier seat frames. Notice how the frame wraps around the top of the back.
If you look closely at these ones, you can see that the side tubes stop just near the top and the levers down by the sides. This shows that these are 66, or 67 seat backs.
In this link, you can clearly tell that it is a 65 seat frame.
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3972/1161/22428080003_large.jpg
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Adee24
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Will all seats fit the railing ? Like a 65-66 seat on a pre 64? I'm trying to find out what year are mine. |
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Helfen
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| Will all seats fit the railing ? Like a 65-66 seat on a pre 64? I'm trying to find out what year are mine. |
No, Standard models, "A"Sedan, and 1200 Customs do not use any seat tracks until 1966 model year. They use the stud in the floor with a claw that goes over the seat tube and a wing nut to fasten the seat.
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Endicott jb
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Will all seats fit the railing ? Like a 65-66 seat on a pre 64? I'm trying to find out what year are mine. |
No, Standard models, "A"Sedan, and 1200 Customs do not use any seat tracks until 1966 model year. They use the stud in the floor with a claw that goes over the seat tube and a wing nut to fasten the seat.
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What are you talking about? The seat bottom is almost interchangeable through all years except the 66 and 67's. It is the seat back that tells you the years. If the seat bottoms were different, i.e. the seat rails, then the floor pans would have to be different for all years.
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Adee24
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Will I be able to put a 66 seat on a 62 pan? |
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TequilaSunSet
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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I thinking I have 65 seats or one 65 and one 67, I can't tell without taking the cover off the passenger seat feels like it may have the release level on the seat back... what ya all think??
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I was at Bugformance today asking this exact questions since my 67 has highbacks.
I was told that the 67 seat had a square/flat top on the back rest, and the earlier seats were rounded. Your driver seat looks a 67, but I am a noob, take that into account 
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Helfen
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Will all seats fit the railing ? Like a 65-66 seat on a pre 64? I'm trying to find out what year are mine. |
No, Standard models, "A"Sedan, and 1200 Customs do not use any seat tracks until 1966 model year. They use the stud in the floor with a claw that goes over the seat tube and a wing nut to fasten the seat.
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What are you talking about? The seat bottom is almost interchangeable through all years except the 66 and 67's. It is the seat back that tells you the years. If the seat bottoms were different, i.e. the seat rails, then the floor pans would have to be different for all years. |
Standard, Sedan "A", and Canadian 1200 Customs up to the end of the 1965 model year do not have seat tracks welded to the pans, or tracks welded to the seat tubing, they are held in place and adjusted by the method I described above. They look like this;
http://members.trainorders.com/android/VW12up/StandardSeatWingNut.jpg
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Endicott jb
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You are speaking of canadian and european cars then. All beetles that were delivered to the U.S. were deluxes and had the seat tracks. Not the wingnuts as you are describing. If your car has such wingnuts, then your car is not originally a U.S. market car.
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