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Mowgli25 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: how can i tell if its a standard or a super |
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Ive been going to look at a few bugs lately and how can i tell if its a standard or super. Some of the owners dont even seem to know. |
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AggieDave Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2008 Posts: 248 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Supers have capes and a secret identity.
They also have McPherson struts in the front end, instead of a torsion bar front end. That's the biggest give away. |
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super72beetle Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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front suspension, standard has a beam, super has struts and a arms, but the most dead give away is the front apron, super is slotted and standard isnt.. if you go in the "sticky's read before posting" section there is a whole thread about this. |
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68IHscout Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Struts up front , and spare lays down in trunk , standars spare is up right.... |
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alexvw Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2011 Posts: 1023 Location: Hales Corners, Wisconsin
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Curved windshield for 72 and up, different sized luggage compartment (that is why people call them fat chicks because the front is fatter compared to the standards), Struts in the front end w/ control arms + sway bar. There have been many many posts on this there will be more information somewhere else if you do a search. _________________ 1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL
1974 Volkswagen Superbeetle( Mitsubishi 4G63T Swap in Progress )
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=575769&highlight= |
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Roostalee Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2012 Posts: 337 Location: North Texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Alex, for some reason people refer to my '68 as a fat chick too. Go figure.
With the '71 and '72 Supers, they look very much like standard Bugs due to the flat windshield, so you have to be careful. But as others have said, look for Mac struts up front and open the trunk to see if the spare is lying flat (SB) or at about a 70-degree angle (Standard). I've owned both, and they're both nice, but the bigger trunk was a plus.
However, Supers can develop front-end shimmy which can be difficult and expensive to cure, but folks say the ride is a little better (after the shimmy is gone, that is). But it's a Beetle, it's never going to ride like a Town Car. _________________ Every morning, Greggery drives his little red Volkswagen to the ugly part of town where they keep the government buildings. "Voodn, voodn! Boy it's so hard to find a place to park around here!" |
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Mowgli25 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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ive been looking at pictures on CL is there much difference in hood? |
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Relyt Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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It's a longer hood, not easy to tell in a tiny picture though. Really it's not all that easy to tell in person.
Just ask them if the spare tire lies flat or stands upright. This is the simplest and easiest way to tell. (flat is super, upright is standard)
EDIT: And the 72 supers had a flat windshield, it wasn't until 73 that they started curving them. _________________ 69 Beetle - Daily driver
1600 SP (unknown history)
30 PICT 1 w/power circuit (Volkzbitz)
205T (Bill)
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: how can i tell if its a standard or a super |
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Mowgli25 wrote: |
Ive been going to look at a few bugs lately and how can i tell if its a standard or super. Some of the owners dont even seem to know. |
How do you tell?
by reading this
This is a Beetle and that is a Super Beetle
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Alex, for some reason people refer to my '68 as a fat chick too. Go figure.
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The term fatchick doens't refer to just Supers, its all late model air cooleds including bus, Karmann ghia and type 3 _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
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Mowgli25 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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super or standard? |
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Joel Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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74 Super.
With the PCV connected to the charcoal canister _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
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Mowgli25 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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ok thats sad |
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Relyt Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Why would they do that? I can't think of any good reason...
At least we have a picture of the culprit.
There's also rust bubbles under the crescent! _________________ 69 Beetle - Daily driver
1600 SP (unknown history)
30 PICT 1 w/power circuit (Volkzbitz)
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Joel Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Relyt wrote: |
Why would they do that? I can't think of any good reason...
At least we have a picture of the culprit. |
Guess they took the old saying running on fumes literally. _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
1974 Germanlook 1303 2.5 Suba-Beetle |
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RDbugger Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Have a look at the front suspension for struts or pop the hood to see if the wheel lay flat. If it has a curve windshield you are looking at a 73 onward super beetle. |
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Mowgli25 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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im confused. did i miss something? |
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Roostalee Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2012 Posts: 337 Location: North Texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: how can i tell if its a standard or a super |
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Joel wrote: |
The term fatchick doens't refer to just Supers, its all late model air cooleds including bus, Karmann ghia and type 3 |
HUH? How does that make sense? Well, it makes sense when you refer to a SB, which has a noticeably more bulbous front end. But how can a late-model Bus be a fat chick? Or a Ghia? How did '67 become the cutoff point for Bugs? The VW community can be downright odd sometimes. _________________ Every morning, Greggery drives his little red Volkswagen to the ugly part of town where they keep the government buildings. "Voodn, voodn! Boy it's so hard to find a place to park around here!" |
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Joel Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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It would make more sense to only mean Supers but then again put a 67 split next to a 68 bay window or early ghia/type 3 next to late ones and the bigger bumpers, lights etc do make them look fatter.
Just for the record TheSamba dictionary has this to say:
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Fat Chick
Slang term for most air-cooled VWs that use 4-bolt wheels, such as 68 and newer Standard Beetles, Super Beetles, Bay Window Buses, 1970 and later Ghias, 1970 and later Type 3s, etc. |
_________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
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RDbugger Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Mowgli25 wrote: |
im confused. did i miss something? |
If you look under the front wheel it should have strut suspension on it or open the hood the should be a hollow circle in the middle for the spare to lay flat.It should look like this.
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Roostalee Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Joel wrote: |
It would make more sense to only mean Supers but then again put a 67 split next to a 68 bay window or early ghia/type 3 next to late ones and the bigger bumpers, lights etc do make them look fatter.
Just for the record TheSamba dictionary has this to say:
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Fat Chick
Slang term for most air-cooled VWs that use 4-bolt wheels, such as 68 and newer Standard Beetles, Super Beetles, Bay Window Buses, 1970 and later Ghias, 1970 and later Type 3s, etc. |
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Yeah I saw the definition, although I know some folks say fat chicks start with Supers. I just don't get the distinction from a '67 Bug to a '68 Bug. Yes, there are changes but was it a paradigm shift for the Bug between those two years? I'd say no because I've been in both many times, they're extremely similar. Now a '77 Super with FI, curved windshield and modern dash, etc. That I can see as different. _________________ Every morning, Greggery drives his little red Volkswagen to the ugly part of town where they keep the government buildings. "Voodn, voodn! Boy it's so hard to find a place to park around here!" |
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