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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I don't want to foul things up by using the wrong tool so either borrowing the one from Geo. or getting one made would be best. However, I should note that there are no signs of soot or leakage at the 46mm nuts. I'm guessing that if there was a leak there, I'd see signs of it, no? There's absolutely definitely a soot trail from the donut gaskets toward the heater boxes. Looks like Friday will be our first chance to get the a sealant on there to see if we can cure the leaks before going away. |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I don't want to foul things up by using the wrong tool so either borrowing the one from Geo. or getting one made would be best. However, I should note that there are no signs of soot or leakage at the 46mm nuts. I'm guessing that if there was a leak there, I'd see signs of it, no? There's absolutely definitely a soot trail from the donut gaskets toward the heater boxes. Looks like Friday will be our first chance to get the a sealant on there to see if we can cure the leaks before going away. |
If there's no soot there, they are likely OK. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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D/A/N Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Ok, I won't sweat that part of the exhaust then.
However, I will sweat the fact that the stupid bugger wouldn't start this morning!!! Oil and generator lights ok, relays click, fuel pump whirrs, turn key and starter just barely starts to turn and then nothing. In moments like these, it's good that we have a stupid Type 1 to fall back on! I guess I'll be checking the battery and a bunch of other connections after work tonight. |
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VWporscheGT3 Samba Member
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I love the way you guys refer to the bug... its hilarious, we all become type 3 snobs it seems. though i drive a 71 bug daily...i admit, I hate it , its so unrefined compared to a type 3.... keep at it guys! _________________ Schnell, SCHNELL!
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D/A/N Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I'm about to become a Type 1 snob, because at least that thing works right now!!
The no-start issue is a little more complex than I thought when rushing around this morning.
The gen. and oil lights come on, the relays click, but the fuel pump makes a strange sound somewhat like an electrical buzzing....a much milder version of a bug in a bug zapper. Electrical connection is intact. I had Jessica turn the key on and off a few times when I was under there and the pump pulses as if about to put out fuel but then makes that weird buzzing noise instead of the normal whirr. No fuel makes it back to the engine and the starter does not engage at all.
I'm a little confused as I figured that as long as the starter worked, it could at least turn over the engine even if the fuel pump was kaputt. I also figured that if the fuel pump worked but the starter suddenly didn't that at least the fuel pump would do its usual thing.
There have been no fuel pump or starter issues prior to this. Figures, since we're about to go away for 2 weeks in the car that all of a sudden it'd screw up again.
I'll poke around a bit more and make sure the wire from the harness to the starter is in place but does anyone have any ideas about what might be up? |
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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If neither the fuel pump nor the starter are working, I'd check the battery and cables first. _________________ 71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Agree. it sounds like a suddenly very weak battery. you could swap the one from the Sk8 and see. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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D/A/N Samba Member
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Agree. it sounds like a suddenly very weak battery. you could swap the one from the Sk8 and see. |
Yup......the battery only had about 10.5 volts. Put the one from the sk8 in and it fired right up. Started thinking that tomorrow we'd check out the charging system and see what we could find then we remembered that the battery is at least 4 years old and could be bad. Then we parked the car and what did I hear when we turned it off but the blower from our auxiliary heater blowing even though the switch for it was in the off position . Moving it up or down had no effect on the blower. Disconnected one wire at the blower and it kept running. Disconnected the other and it shut off.
When I parked yesterday, I was pissed off after being stuck in traffic and late to my own birthday party. I guess what happened was somehow or other the fan was getting power and in my rush to get home I didn't hear that the fan was on and it drained the battery. Gotta figure out what's up with the fan being on even when the switch is off!!! |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Tram wrote: |
Agree. it sounds like a suddenly very weak battery. you could swap the one from the Sk8 and see. |
Yup......the battery only had about 10.5 volts. Put the one from the sk8 in and it fired right up. Started thinking that tomorrow we'd check out the charging system and see what we could find then we remembered that the battery is at least 4 years old and could be bad. Then we parked the car and what did I hear when we turned it off but the blower from our auxiliary heater blowing even though the switch for it was in the off position . Moving it up or down had no effect on the blower. Disconnected one wire at the blower and it kept running. Disconnected the other and it shut off.
When I parked yesterday, I was pissed off after being stuck in traffic and late to my own birthday party. I guess what happened was somehow or other the fan was getting power and in my rush to get home I didn't hear that the fan was on and it drained the battery. Gotta figure out what's up with the fan being on even when the switch is off!!! |
Bet it's the relay under the rear seat. The first wire you disconnected was probably the ground. I'll bet the fan is grounding through the bracket I made as well.
Better that it happened now than on your trip!
EDIT: It could also be that the wires at the switch are touching. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Tram wrote: |
Agree. it sounds like a suddenly very weak battery. you could swap the one from the Sk8 and see. |
Yup......the battery only had about 10.5 volts. Put the one from the sk8 in and it fired right up. Started thinking that tomorrow we'd check out the charging system and see what we could find then we remembered that the battery is at least 4 years old and could be bad. Then we parked the car and what did I hear when we turned it off but the blower from our auxiliary heater blowing even though the switch for it was in the off position . Moving it up or down had no effect on the blower. Disconnected one wire at the blower and it kept running. Disconnected the other and it shut off.
When I parked yesterday, I was pissed off after being stuck in traffic and late to my own birthday party. I guess what happened was somehow or other the fan was getting power and in my rush to get home I didn't hear that the fan was on and it drained the battery. Gotta figure out what's up with the fan being on even when the switch is off!!! |
I just caught that. I'll bet this is the Weasel's idea of a surprise birthday party! Happy belated birthday old man- but, sorry to say, try as you might... you'll never catch meeeeee....! _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Suesanctuary Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2007 Posts: 842 Location: Wishing we were still chest deep in Vw Parts at the Wolfe Estate.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:16 am Post subject: |
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Tram wrote: |
D/A/N wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
Agree. it sounds like a suddenly very weak battery. you could swap the one from the Sk8 and see. |
Yup......the battery only had about 10.5 volts. Put the one from the sk8 in and it fired right up. Started thinking that tomorrow we'd check out the charging system and see what we could find then we remembered that the battery is at least 4 years old and could be bad. Then we parked the car and what did I hear when we turned it off but the blower from our auxiliary heater blowing even though the switch for it was in the off position . Moving it up or down had no effect on the blower. Disconnected one wire at the blower and it kept running. Disconnected the other and it shut off.
When I parked yesterday, I was pissed off after being stuck in traffic and late to my own birthday party. I guess what happened was somehow or other the fan was getting power and in my rush to get home I didn't hear that the fan was on and it drained the battery. Gotta figure out what's up with the fan being on even when the switch is off!!! |
I just caught that. I'll bet this is the Weasel's idea of a surprise birthday party! Happy belated birthday old man- but, sorry to say, try as you might... you'll never catch meeeeee....! |
Yes, Happy Belated Birthday! _________________ Sue
70 Fastback-AT w/ pop-outs
Did you know:
New York was the first state to require license plates, back in 1901. In those days, you had to make your own. Sears even sold Kits! Massachusetts was the first state to issue them in 1903.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:52 am Post subject: |
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D/A/N wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
Agree. it sounds like a suddenly very weak battery. you could swap the one from the Sk8 and see. |
Yup......the battery only had about 10.5 volts. Put the one from the sk8 in and it fired right up. Started thinking that tomorrow we'd check out the charging system and see what we could find then we remembered that the battery is at least 4 years old and could be bad. Then we parked the car and what did I hear when we turned it off but the blower from our auxiliary heater blowing even though the switch for it was in the off position . Moving it up or down had no effect on the blower. Disconnected one wire at the blower and it kept running. Disconnected the other and it shut off.
When I parked yesterday, I was pissed off after being stuck in traffic and late to my own birthday party. I guess what happened was somehow or other the fan was getting power and in my rush to get home I didn't hear that the fan was on and it drained the battery. Gotta figure out what's up with the fan being on even when the switch is off!!! |
Sounds like you might want to add a warning light to let you know that the blower is on.
Yes, Happy belated Birthday. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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D/A/N Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the birthday wishes. 40 ain't so bad so far.
We finally got around to putting some Permatex Copper on the exhaust gaskets and it's curing right now so we'll know tomorrow whether it worked or not. We'll get to our blower issues and other stuff tomorrow.
I found another small leak spot on the exhaust damper right by where it joins the tailpipe. You can see what was left of the trail after I wiped it away....right near the hole in the damper. Also....that exhaust paint sure didn't like staying on that tailpipe!
Here's what the inside of the damper looked like.....it's definitely seen better days
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:37 am Post subject: |
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D/A/N wrote: |
Thanks for the birthday wishes. 40 ain't so bad so far.
We finally got around to putting some Permatex Copper on the exhaust gaskets and it's curing right now so we'll know tomorrow whether it worked or not. We'll get to our blower issues and other stuff tomorrow.
I found another small leak spot on the exhaust damper right by where it joins the tailpipe. You can see what was left of the trail after I wiped it away....right near the hole in the damper. Also....that exhaust paint sure didn't like staying on that tailpipe!
Here's what the inside of the damper looked like.....it's definitely seen better days
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I'd go a head and swab some Ultra Copper on that joint too. Paint burning off that pipe is pretty normal. On my T-34, I think I burned most of it off in the first hour of running the engine. Might be part of the reason I went to a Harley pipe on my Notch engine (with stock muffler), for a dampener pipe (it's chrome). Well, that, and I didn't have the large diameter dampener pipe that fits the later muffler. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Tram wrote: |
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D/A/N Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:16 am Post subject: |
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That's a good idea to put some Copper on that joint as well.....I'll have to disassemble and do it.
I was surprised about the exhaust paint. About a year ago, the exhaust looked like the pic below and it's already rusty. What's the use of VHT paint if it doesn't hold up under "very high temps"? Or is it customary to have to reapply it every so often?
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Clatter Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:32 am Post subject: |
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I have experimented with different types of "high temp" rattle can.
THe VHT seems to hold so much promise when you read the can, what with baking it on in the oven and all.
What a load of malarkey, it lasts the worst of any.
People who recommend it are just reading the can, and have never compared it to anything else.
Oddly enough, of all the types i tried,
Dupli-color was 2nd best,
and,
By quite a margin,
Rust-oleum lasted the best.
This was their BBQ paint, with a picture of a gas grill on the front of the can.
It even lasted longer than a set of headers i had ceramic coated(!)
Like everything, the prep is the most important part; it _must_ be sandblasted 100% clean.
ANd, it very much helps to knock down the high peaks of roughness with some 240 or 320 wet/dry.
Put it on thicker than thick, again and again, until it won't hold any more, then add more anyway...
It burns off.
Have fun!
Nice to see this project making steady progress for so long. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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neena Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:19 am Post subject: |
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We got to do our first test drive yesterday with the Copper on all the exhaust joints and I'm happy to report that there were no pops or sneezes under any circumstances! Hopefully it stays this way, but we'll be bringing the leftover Copper plus the Versachem stuff just in case.
How much do I have to worry about these leaks.....if they open back up, should we do as much as possible to avoid them (coast in neutral when possible during stops, avoid slamming on brakes under load without shifting into neutral first, etc) so we don't fry up a valve or will we be okay?
We finally did the shift rod coupler bushings. The red urethane ones came out and some NOS VW ones went in. Didn't do enough driving to see if that will help with the maniacally bouncing shifter we posted up a few weeks ago but we'll be on the road for 6 hours today which is plenty of time to see what happens!
Unfortunately, the transmission is still leaking and the coupler cover was full of fluid again . Couldn't see where it's coming from though. The nose cone seal looks fine but looks aren't everything. We'll bring a bottle of fluid and keep an eye on the levels.
We also did a wee bit of investigating into the mysterious self-operating heater blower and found that the wire up at the heater lever is fine as are the wires in the engine bay. We still have to check the relay under the seat and/or see if it's grounding through the bracket, but for now, aren't we okay if we just disconnect power to the blower and keep electrical tape on the wire end? |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:40 am Post subject: |
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neena wrote: |
We got to do our first test drive yesterday with the Copper on all the exhaust joints and I'm happy to report that there were no pops or sneezes under any circumstances! Hopefully it stays this way, but we'll be bringing the leftover Copper plus the Versachem stuff just in case.
How much do I have to worry about these leaks.....if they open back up, should we do as much as possible to avoid them (coast in neutral when possible during stops, avoid slamming on brakes under load without shifting into neutral first, etc) so we don't fry up a valve or will we be okay?
We also did a wee bit of investigating into the mysterious self-operating heater blower and found that the wire up at the heater lever is fine as are the wires in the engine bay. We still have to check the relay under the seat and/or see if it's grounding through the bracket, but for now, aren't we okay if we just disconnect power to the blower and keep electrical tape on the wire end? |
You won't fry a valve, but the "popping" or "sneezing" might just get annoying, if it happens again. Plus, if it does, that'll be the excuse that dan is looking for, to have the flanges installed.
Yup, I'd just tape the wires up, and maybe zip tie them out of the way for now. Besides, you've got about 3 months before you really need the blower. So that should give you time to find the culprit cause. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Tram wrote: |
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
neena wrote: |
We got to do our first test drive yesterday with the Copper on all the exhaust joints and I'm happy to report that there were no pops or sneezes under any circumstances! Hopefully it stays this way, but we'll be bringing the leftover Copper plus the Versachem stuff just in case.
How much do I have to worry about these leaks.....if they open back up, should we do as much as possible to avoid them (coast in neutral when possible during stops, avoid slamming on brakes under load without shifting into neutral first, etc) so we don't fry up a valve or will we be okay?
We also did a wee bit of investigating into the mysterious self-operating heater blower and found that the wire up at the heater lever is fine as are the wires in the engine bay. We still have to check the relay under the seat and/or see if it's grounding through the bracket, but for now, aren't we okay if we just disconnect power to the blower and keep electrical tape on the wire end? |
You won't fry a valve, but the "popping" or "sneezing" might just get annoying, if it happens again. Plus, if it does, that'll be the excuse that dan is looking for, to have the flanges installed.
Yup, I'd just tape the wires up, and maybe zip tie them out of the way for now. Besides, you've got about 3 months before you really need the blower. So that should give you time to find the culprit cause. |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:24 am Post subject: |
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D/A/N wrote: |
Bobnotch wrote: |
neena wrote: |
We got to do our first test drive yesterday with the Copper on all the exhaust joints and I'm happy to report that there were no pops or sneezes under any circumstances! Hopefully it stays this way, but we'll be bringing the leftover Copper plus the Versachem stuff just in case.
How much do I have to worry about these leaks.....if they open back up, should we do as much as possible to avoid them (coast in neutral when possible during stops, avoid slamming on brakes under load without shifting into neutral first, etc) so we don't fry up a valve or will we be okay?
We also did a wee bit of investigating into the mysterious self-operating heater blower and found that the wire up at the heater lever is fine as are the wires in the engine bay. We still have to check the relay under the seat and/or see if it's grounding through the bracket, but for now, aren't we okay if we just disconnect power to the blower and keep electrical tape on the wire end? |
You won't fry a valve, but the "popping" or "sneezing" might just get annoying, if it happens again. Plus, if it does, that'll be the excuse that dan is looking for, to have the flanges installed.
Yup, I'd just tape the wires up, and maybe zip tie them out of the way for now. Besides, you've got about 3 months before you really need the blower. So that should give you time to find the culprit cause. |
How'd you know I was looking for an excuse? |
Because I already know that you hate that clamp joint set up.
Plus, within a couple of winters, you'll be hacking the pipe to seperate the joints, due to rust (at least that's what I found once I finally got those things to seal on a header I had). In my case, I had to seperate them to repair a gasket leak on the heat exchanger to head end. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
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