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 Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Don't get here often, so here come a few comments:
Regarding the fancy chrome tailpipe--Forget it. Put it on your mantle. They are pretty and they are original for your '69, but they are heavy and they will cause the tailpipe extension to break off sooner than it would otherwise. Then you lose BOTH parts. 
I have NOS ones if anyone's interested, but they're show car items only, as far as I'm concerned. They're rare, however, hence $$$$$.
The rubber airbox seals are NEVER the problem. Trash from trees gets in there and blows out with the air when you open the vents. The vent opening seals are not watertight, so water will still drip out of there if the drains are plugged. The vent openings are lower than the rubber seals, so water always comes out there first and never gets as high as the seals. The only solution I know of is the magnetic sheets, that keep debris out. That's what I finally started doing. I sell the sheets, too, if you're interested.
The early airbox entrance is quite different from the late ('71-on) one. Unfortunately, compressed air doesn't work well on the early years.
The really important thing is to keep the drains clear, because water in the car is a bigger problem than a bit of tree poop. This is actually easier on the earlier years.
For those of you complaining that some of us don't drive our Type 3s enough, I'll just point out that I've driven one of mine to every Type 3 invasion so far. It's only fair to point out that I don't think I've seen any of you at any of them. Why not? Afraid to get more than 100 miles from home? 
Ahhh, to be 42 again.... 
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Regarding the fancy chrome tailpipe--Forget it. Put it on your mantle. They are pretty and they are original for your '69, but they are heavy and they will cause the tailpipe extension to break off sooner than it would otherwise. Then you lose BOTH parts.
I have NOS ones if anyone's interested, but they're show car items only, as far as I'm concerned. They're rare, however, hence $$$$$. |
It's already installed! I'm kind of sold on the looks for the moment but I'll think about what you're saying. At the very least, it was only $40.
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The rubber airbox seals are NEVER the problem. Trash from trees gets in there and blows out with the air when you open the vents. The vent opening seals are not watertight, so water will still drip out of there if the drains are plugged. The vent openings are lower than the rubber seals, so water always comes out there first and never gets as high as the seals. The only solution I know of is the magnetic sheets, that keep debris out. That's what I finally started doing. I sell the sheets, too, if you're interested.
The early airbox entrance is quite different from the late ('71-on) one. Unfortunately, compressed air doesn't work well on the early years.
The really important thing is to keep the drains clear, because water in the car is a bigger problem than a bit of tree poop. This is actually easier on the earlier years. |
If driving in any decent rain storm, there's always dripping down onto my right shoe or ankle whether the vents have been cleared out or not. I've also observed water running in off the passenger side air box and dripping down the glovebox. Those two things are what have me suspecting the seals.
It's easy to run a length of wire hanger down the hole in the box and into the drainage hose to keep those clear but other than shooting water into the box at the car wash, we haven't attempted any other cleaning methods. |
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Actually, I have seen the airbox seals get hard and split causing a leak... in fact, this was actually the exact reason I replaced those seals on D/A/N and neena's car... plus the fact that the PO's overspray into the boxes and onto the screens bugged the crap out of me.
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 10:33 am Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Don't get here often, so here come a few comments:
For those of you complaining that some of us don't drive our Type 3s enough, I'll just point out that I've driven one of mine to every Type 3 invasion so far. It's only fair to point out that I don't think I've seen any of you at any of them. Why not? Afraid to get more than 100 miles from home?
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Come on Jim, I've been to 4 Invasions so far, and yes, the 08 Invasion was less than 100 miles from home (not by much though). The others were definitely further than 100 miles. Hell, I even took a freshly rebuilt T-34 to Colorado from SE Michigan, with the return trip by ourselves.  I'm not scared to drive my T-3 anywhere. 
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jadney
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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| Come on Jim, I've been to 4 Invasions so far, and yes, the 08 Invasion was less than 100 miles from home (not by much though). The others were definitely further than 100 miles. Hell, I even took a freshly rebuilt T-34 to Colorado from SE Michigan, with the return trip by ourselves. I'm not scared to drive my T-3 anywhere. |
Sorry, Bob, but I certainly didn't have you and Sue in mind when I wrote that. However, we missed you at the last Invasion, and you and Sue were 2 of the people I wanted Melissa to meet. Any chance you'll make it this time? Sure would like to see you again.
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 1:55 am Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
| Come on Jim, I've been to 4 Invasions so far, and yes, the 08 Invasion was less than 100 miles from home (not by much though). The others were definitely further than 100 miles. Hell, I even took a freshly rebuilt T-34 to Colorado from SE Michigan, with the return trip by ourselves. I'm not scared to drive my T-3 anywhere. |
Sorry, Bob, but I certainly didn't have you and Sue in mind when I wrote that. However, we missed you at the last Invasion, and you and Sue were 2 of the people I wanted Melissa to meet. Any chance you'll make it this time? Sure would like to see you again. |
I don't think so. We're headed to Texas next week for family business. Hopefully we'll be able to attend another one in the future. At this point in time we're just taking it day by day.
I know a few people (the regulars) missed us at the last Invasion, and that one was certainly close by. My son and I almost went for the weekend (attend saturday, leave sunday). But things didn't work out for that either.
By the way, if I send you a "B" brain, do you have a way of testing it? I was going to send it to Dan and Neena (as a spare for them), but I'd like to know the condition of it first (don't want to send them a junk one). Don't know if you got your 69 Square up and running smoothly yet, or if Gary and Bev have made the trip north.
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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A few weeks ago, I posted these videos of the bouncing/twerking rear end even after installing new shocks. New shocks have cleaned up the ride in the rear somewhat but there's still a bit of goofiness back there.
I don't really have any new leads, but we were under the car today and realized that when the rear is bounced there's a distinct squeak from what seems to be one of the torsion bushings. Otherwise, nothing looks or sounds unusual. Are we just looking at tired torsion bars? It seems weird they'd be shot given that the car sat in a garage undriven from 1982 to 2012 but who knows
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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| Mine squeaked like that. Worse, they had crushed so the cover was running on the tubular ends. By swapping them side to side they fit despite the wear, and with new talcum-covered rubber the squeaks stopped. |
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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| By the way, if I send you a "B" brain, do you have a way of testing it? I was going to send it to Dan and Neena (as a spare for them), but I'd like to know the condition of it first (don't want to send them a junk one). Don't know if you got your 69 Square up and running smoothly yet, or if Gary and Bev have made the trip north. |
My '69 is sitting in the driveway, waiting for me to put the fuel pump I just rebuilt, back in. That will go in later this afternoon.
Right now, it seems pretty clear that I need a good B brain for this car, because I don't think the one I have runs the fuel pump any more. That could change, but right now the old brain is out and testing a different one would be easy. In fact, DAN has all my good B brains and is expecting to return a couple of them soon. If you send me yours, I can test it, and perhaps save DAN some shipping if we do a swap.
Seems odd that we're having a rash of bad B brains, all with the same defect. Maybe I can figure out where the weak spot is and beef it up, but no matter what the problem is, just getting to the bottom of the PC board is a lot of work.
Yeah, go ahead and mail yours to me.
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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| Mine squeaked like that. Worse, they had crushed so the cover was running on the tubular ends. By swapping them side to side they fit despite the wear, and with new talcum-covered rubber the squeaks stopped. |
I can live with the squeak because I only hear it when I bounce the rear of the car. What I really want to know is why the hell it bounces around so much back there. I can push above the rear quarter window with two fingers and rock the car side to side! |
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 9:11 am Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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| By the way, if I send you a "B" brain, do you have a way of testing it? I was going to send it to Dan and Neena (as a spare for them), but I'd like to know the condition of it first (don't want to send them a junk one). Don't know if you got your 69 Square up and running smoothly yet, or if Gary and Bev have made the trip north. |
My '69 is sitting in the driveway, waiting for me to put the fuel pump I just rebuilt, back in. That will go in later this afternoon.
Right now, it seems pretty clear that I need a good B brain for this car, because I don't think the one I have runs the fuel pump any more. That could change, but right now the old brain is out and testing a different one would be easy. In fact, DAN has all my good B brains and is expecting to return a couple of them soon. If you send me yours, I can test it, and perhaps save DAN some shipping if we do a swap.
Seems odd that we're having a rash of bad B brains, all with the same defect. Maybe I can figure out where the weak spot is and beef it up, but no matter what the problem is, just getting to the bottom of the PC board is a lot of work.
Yeah, go ahead and mail yours to me. |
It might be a week or so before I get it sent out, as I'm leaving in the morning (Monday) for Texas. But, once I get back it'll go out.
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 10:36 am Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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| Mine squeaked like that. Worse, they had crushed so the cover was running on the tubular ends. By swapping them side to side they fit despite the wear, and with new talcum-covered rubber the squeaks stopped. |
I can live with the squeak because I only hear it when I bounce the rear of the car. What I really want to know is why the hell it bounces around so much back there. I can push above the rear quarter window with two fingers and rock the car side to side! |
If the bushings are worn then that kind of side to side play will show up. On IRS it can be the diagonal arm bushings as well. If you look under the car as it is rocked side to side you may find one in particular that shows more play, but the solution is to replace them all.
I delayed on the spring plate bushing, and it wore out the torsion bar cover at its top due to the resultant sag. By flipping them side to side the worn top sides were now on the bottoms, which doesn't cause any problems.
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 11:54 am Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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| Mine squeaked like that. Worse, they had crushed so the cover was running on the tubular ends. By swapping them side to side they fit despite the wear, and with new talcum-covered rubber the squeaks stopped. |
I can live with the squeak because I only hear it when I bounce the rear of the car. What I really want to know is why the hell it bounces around so much back there. I can push above the rear quarter window with two fingers and rock the car side to side! |
If the bushings are worn then that kind of side to side play will show up. On IRS it can be the diagonal arm bushings as well. If you look under the car as it is rocked side to side you may find one in particular that shows more play, but the collation is to replace them all.
I delayed on the spring plate bushing, and it wore out the torsion bar cover at its top due to the resultant sag. By flipping them side to side the worn top sides were now on the bottoms, which doesn't cause any problems. |
Spring plate bushings were replaced in 2014 with an OEM set (not urethane)... outers even had 311 part numbers as I recall.
It looks like the tube is still centered in the cover plate so it doesn't look like the spring plate bushings are worn.
Coated the bushings in talcum powder before installation as always.
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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How about the diagonal arm bushings?
Mine were shot, and no rubber replacements were available, so I went with urethane, but with the special lube they came with. No squeaks so far.
I still think a look-see underneath while rocking will surface something loose somewhere. I don't think even the original rubber mountings were that compliant.
Rear subframe tight to the body? I'm running out of places for play! |
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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How about the diagonal arm bushings?
Mine were shot, and no rubber replacements were available, so I went with urethane, but with the special lube they came with. No squeaks so far.
I still think a look-see underneath while rocking will surface something loose somewhere. I don't think even the original rubber mountings were that compliant.
Rear subframe tight to the body? I'm running out of places for play! |
D/A/N says they've been checked and they are OK. I've never personally seen a bad subframe bushing- you'd think they'd clunk like hell!
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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How about the diagonal arm bushings?
Mine were shot, and no rubber replacements were available, so I went with urethane, but with the special lube they came with. No squeaks so far.
I still think a look-see underneath while rocking will surface something loose somewhere. I don't think even the original rubber mountings were that compliant.
Rear subframe tight to the body? I'm running out of places for play! |
How did you determine that your diagonal arm bushings were bad? I used the big-ass 17mm allen key to verify that the bolts were tight and they were but as for the bushings, I don't know.... |
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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| Its been a few years, but I think I could see the arms move as the car was rocked. When I took them off the rubber was stiff and worn. I ended up using Bug Urethane, I think-- all that was available. Worked well, though. |
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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does the noise go away if you remove the rear shocks?
just a thought. |
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 7:00 am Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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does the noise go away if you remove the rear shocks?
just a thought. |
I haven't tried that, but I put in new shocks and the noise is still there. It's pretty clearly coming from behind the torsion arm cover. |
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 7:24 am Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Dan posted to the Type 3 email list that he'd been having some missing in bad weather. Here are some insulators which keep the spark plug ceramic dry in damp weather.
Hmmm, sorry, the image seems to have been stretched vertically.
The best ones, 311 905 444A, are shown on the left, but the early ones, 311 905 444, shown on the right, could be used if they are glued to the spark plug connector to keep them in place.
The good news: VW shows the A number as still good. The bad news: they want $22.91 for each of them!
Every aircooled VW needs 4 of these. If you come across any aircooled VW in a junkyard, grab any of these you can find.
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