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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:01 pm    Post subject: Front shift bush problem? How to replace it? Reply with quote

Hi everyone i have had a shifting issue with my bay.. mostly with first and second I have replaced the rear coupling and tried to adjust the floor adjustment from the shifter but i didn`t solve the problem... could it be the front bush?? what symptoms would it have and what needs to be done to replace it? thanks a lot Ian
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: front shift bush problem? how to replace it? Reply with quote

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Hi everyone i have had a shifting issue with my bay.. mostly with first and second I have replaced the rear coupling and tried to adjust the floor adjustment from the shifter but i didn`t solve the problem... could it be the front bush?? what symptoms would it have and what needs to be done to replace it? thanks a lot Ian


Remove the skid plate up front and inspect the bushing at the front of the linkage. If it is torn, worn or dry, replace it.

Did you do the linkage adjustment properly when you replaced the rear coupling?

How much play is there in the clutch pedal?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: front shift bush problem? how to replace it? Reply with quote

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Hi everyone i have had a shifting issue with my bay.. mostly with first and second I have replaced the rear coupling and tried to adjust the floor adjustment from the shifter but i didn`t solve the problem... could it be the front bush?? what symptoms would it have and what needs to be done to replace it? thanks a lot Ian



The front part of the shifter is different depending on what year it is. Since you don't list your year in your avatar or signature yet it is hard to answer your question.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah,
We've all got experience with similar problems but we need more specifics in order to provide the best answer.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah,
We've all got experience with similar problems but we need more specifics in order to provide the best answer.


Hi thanks for your fast replys its a 73
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nai wrote:
aeromech wrote:
Yeah,
We've all got experience with similar problems but we need more specifics in order to provide the best answer.


Hi thanks for your fast replys its a 73


any help out there?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you have the late style bushing at the front, remove the pedal pan as mentioned and have a look, any side play in the rod at the front is unacceptable and can make it hard to find some gears.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have my 73 rod out today for new bushings and it is a very simple rebuild, just pull the motor and trans and it all comes out in seconds.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't have to pull the motor or trans to replace the front bushing under the cab floor Very Happy (just incase the last post got nai in a little panic) Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a pic of the front end of the shift rod going through the bracket with the bushing missing.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is the tube the shift rod goes through, the rod itself is gone in that pic and so is the boot that covers that tube. The front most shuttlecock bushing has one nub hole on the rod and the circle metal clip goes on it, not the rear most bushing. But my bushings came incorectly made for my application. The shuttle cock with a groove for the ring, had 2 nubs molded on it, so one nub had to be cut off to fit the front most bushing onto the rod. Also the piss poor quality is barely able to hold the metal ring steady, plus the metal ring is too big, use the stock one. Rolling Eyes I hate poor quality stuff, it reeks of China to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry bro but that is the shift rod on a 1978 German market bus with a type 1 engine
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh ok, it uses a hollow shift rod? I guess they were getting cheap in the end.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

go here

http://www.ratwell.com/technical/091Transmission.html#shiftrod
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I see, that is the front shift rod, not the rear shift rod. The front end of the rear shift rod is where the shuttle cock bushing goes, and the replacement part I got was poor quality.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I also see now that that 78 front shift rod is not the same as the one in my 73. Mine doesn't have a bushing like that or that bracket it sits in.
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behind that hole in the frame is no bracket or bushing , the next bushing is on the solid shift rod inside the frame and tube.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must have a very low VIN for a 73.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Fau Veh wrote:
Ok, I also see now that that 78 front shift rod is not the same as the one in my 73. Mine doesn't have a bushing like that or that bracket it sits in.
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behind that hole in the frame is no bracket or bushing , the next bushing is on the solid shift rod inside the frame and tube.


that is a 1972 and earlier shifter. Check your front vin, rear vin near the motor and M-code to see if they match.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You obviously know nothing about these machines! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You obviously know nothing about these machines! Very Happy
Model Type 2 (T2) mod. 221(1) :
- Microbus
- 7 seater (arrangement 2-2-3)
- Sliding door right
- LHD
Chassis number 2232153814
Serial number 153 814
Modelyear 1973
Planned production date
Thursday, 08 March 1973
Number for production planning
(temporary serial number) 7953
Type of engine Type 4 (CD) - 1679cc, 46 kW (62 bhp DIN)
Type of transmission Manual 4-speed gearbox
Paint color Color upper part : L90D - Pastel White
Color lower part : L20B - Brillant Orange

Interior color (doorpanels and seats) 50 - Black Leatherette

Destination USA, Los Angeles


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