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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:41 am    Post subject: Bentley Book Photo Technique Reply with quote

Does anyone have any idea what is the photography/processing technique was used in the Bentley repair book (and likely many others)?

The images are very strange to me. Very good! Clear, contrasty, east to see what's what.... but they also have a sort of artificial air-brushed look to them. They are extra silky smooth, don't you think? Studio lighting plus artistically re-touched for clarity? They are almost illustrations...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stanagon should be able to answer all your questions about that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Bentley Book Photo Technique Reply with quote

Daverham wrote:
Does anyone have any idea what is the photography/processing technique was used in the Bentley repair book (and likely many others)?

The images are very strange to me. Very good! Clear, contrasty, east to see what's what.... but they also have a sort of artificial air-brushed look to them. They are extra silky smooth, don't you think? Studio lighting plus artistically


Part of it is the large format cameras they used. The negatives were huge, the detail was amazing, and the artist could retouch by painting directly onto the negative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_format_%28photography%29

I Googled "Large format photo" and this was the first thing that popped up. I think you can see a lot of what you're talking about in this photo:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm familiar with large format... that would make sense that it's easier for a retoucher to paint on the negative after processing. You think that's what happened here? You know that, or just a theory?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect there was alot of retouching done as well, it's more obvious in many Japanese manuals of the same vintage.
The pics that make me go Hmmm..... are the ones where all the tin or suspension arms that you know are black on the car are light colored in the pics yet the surrounding body looks normal, custom painted vehicle or photo magic?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did large format industrial photography for over 30 years.
The detail (resolution) from an 8x10 negative or transparency is a quantum leap above even the best digital images seen today.
The problem is cost. Between the high price of silver (therefore of photographic materials) the high cost of processing that film (including the cost of proper disposal of highly poisonous chemicals) is prohibitive in the modern world.
The retouching you see was done with an airbrush. The artist would glue tracing paper to a print, cut out the "frisket" with an exacto knife, and remove the "mask" from the area to be worked. Then, he (she) would use an airbrush to spray paints or dyes to "click up" the print. As you can imagine, this kind of work requires a lot of skill and time. Another important point is that there is no "command Z" (control Z for dummies). 40 hours of work can be laid waste by a sneeze or a spilled cup of coffee. Yea...those were the good old days!
It might just be a coincidence, but all of the best retouchers were big time alcoholics.

Drawings like this were done with pen and ink! Try it sometime!
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As a side note, Detroit was once the mecca for this kind of work. All car photography; brochures, manuals, parts catalogs and related post production work was done here back in the day.
Industrial films for training, sales promotion, etc. were shot and processed here in Detroit. There were years that more cine (movie) film was processed here in Detroit than in L.A.

All of this has gone the way of the buggy whip.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mondshine wrote:
I did large format industrial photography for over 30 years.
The detail (resolution) from an 8x10 negative or transparency is a quantum leap above even the best digital images seen today.


This is a bit off the topic, but I was going to ask what the equivalent would be in megapixels but I found via some quick research - it is 800 megapixels for a large format 8x10.

Wow... that is dense.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And it's not just the resolution, but the tonal depth that makes the old large format negatives so beautiful. The fine grain, slow speed films like Panatomic-X also had fantastic dynamic range... modern cameras are limited by their D-A converters.

However, the latest HDR and large format digital cameras are getting incredibly good, especially for the fraction of the labor needed to produce results (and the "undo" function!). Ansel Adam's Zone System can teach us a lot, but the analogous digital processes are now so easy we take them for granted and lose sight of why we have them.

My hands are still rough from dipping my skin into developer, stop bath, fixer, etc from decades of darkroom work. But I miss the craft, and the beautiful results from film and paper.

VW retouched and reused photographs for all its manuals (workshop and owner), and did a fine job of it. Just try it yourself with normal lighting and you will appreciate how well they did.
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