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thext94 Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2010 Posts: 1003 Location: Manhattan Beach, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: Thext94's Class 11 Baja |
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Found this Class 11 on the classifieds here for a good deal, and it was just down the street from my house. Went to check it out and ended up buying it last night.
It's a '67, but unlike my other car, it is actually to stock '67 chassis specs. Balljoint front end, swing rear, high compression but otherwise stock 1600, etc
Picture from the ad
It was built by The GMR shop, only ran once, and the fenders were removed to be rolled because the front tires were rubbing.
How it sits in the front yard this morning
Came with fenders and headlights, I'm picking up the beading today and I'll be putting the fenders on, then figuring out a front and rear windshield. I won't be racing it right away so I think I will go with glass and then remove it once I get into regular racing. Hoping to find some Class 11-eligible short course races in the South Bay or Arizona.
I acknowledge that VW's are a disease...
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sxuxrxf Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 1338 Location: Oceanside, CA
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thext94 Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2010 Posts: 1003 Location: Manhattan Beach, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Good to hear positive things about GMR! I hadn't heard of them until now, but the build quality in this bug is amazing.
I guess I'll get to my first question right off the bat...
The front fenders were removed to be rolled, and it looks like they were to some extent, but the tires were still rubbing on the inside of the headlight buckets. Is this something a hammer can fix, or should i be cutting out the spot where it rubs and resealing the bucket? |
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pafree Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2005 Posts: 2298 Location: dayton, the one in texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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are the rear tires the same size/brand? looks like the rears would work better on the front and the fronts on the rear. maybe 235's all the way around would work better.
did it come with the race engine? i know it is supposed to be stock but you know what i am talking about. |
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thext94 Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2010 Posts: 1003 Location: Manhattan Beach, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Rears are the same size and brand, having the fenders off makes the illusion that the front ones are bigger, it looks kind of funny. But I hammered the headlight buckets a bit where the tires were rubbing, and just put the fenders back on, so we'll see if the problem is solved.
And yes, the engine came with it, mated to a beefed up type 1 tranny. |
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Dave24 Samba Hack Purist
Joined: April 14, 2004 Posts: 7442 Location: Hablamos Ingles, So. Cal.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Saw the ad, thought it was a great deal and (briefly) considered making the call... congrats on the score!. |
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mrbajadude Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2002 Posts: 148 Location: Yerington, NV, home of the VORRA 300 mile off road race
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Good looking, but you may want to cut and turn the front beam and a wee bit of preload on the rear to get some more tire clearance or go to 205's or 215's instead of the 235's.[/GVideo] _________________ Panic, Chaos and Disorder, My work here is done! |
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guppysoup Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2003 Posts: 387 Location: Jalisco, Mexico
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^What he said^^^^^^^
NICE car ! _________________ 1973 Thing/Safari
1985 Bug/Vocho wanna be class 11
2014 Amarok TDI 4x4 |
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mr_bill Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2006 Posts: 1008 Location: City of Orange, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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the wheels on your car are either 1) to wide...2) wrong off-set...3) both.... tires on "stock" wheels will fit much better....
these tires are .....215/75R15 BFG AT's on 4.5 in. "stock" VW wheels _________________ see ya' on the trail........
"Mr Bill"
Dos Perros Motorsports
Orange, CA
1972 Class 11x/Stock Bug
'60's era "vintage" Tunnell-Buggy
"...no one here....get's out ALIVE...."
Motor = electric
Engine = internal combustion
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sxuxrxf Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 1338 Location: Oceanside, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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mrbajadude wrote: |
Good looking, but you may want to cut and turn the front beam and a wee bit of preload on the rear to get some more tire clearance or go to 205's or 215's instead of the 235's.[/GVideo] |
X3. It may be that the rim off-set is causing some of the rubbing as well. Either way, you probably want to get some more lift/clearance in there. _________________ (ignore the X's ) |
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sxuxrxf Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Damn, Mr. Bill - you beat me to it by seconds! _________________ (ignore the X's ) |
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wanta23 Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2007 Posts: 534 Location: At The Beach
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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here as how it sits with all 4 fenders on. There are preload adjuster bolts under the rear so we will play with them tomorrow. I imagine the rears will drag as it sits but the fronts, even fully compressed don't hit when turning.
[/img] _________________ '66 13 window camper
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alexvw Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2011 Posts: 1023 Location: Hales Corners, Wisconsin
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Tyler, few of the Class 11 guys run 7.00-15s. Most run 215 to 235s. And those front fenders look "radiused". That's a no-no in Class 11. Rolling the edge is allowed, but increasing the radius is not. It does look as though it could use more ride height like Bill's. I see no skid plates either. But I understand it isn't "done" yet. _________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
Tech Inspection 1963 - 2012 SCCA/SCORE/HDRA/MORE/MDR +
Retired from building Bajas, Fiberglass Buggies and Rails in the Mojave Desert. Also Sprints & Midgets, Dry Lakes, Road Race cars. All types New and Vintage
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thext94 Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2010 Posts: 1003 Location: Manhattan Beach, CA
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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dustymojave wrote: |
Tyler, few of the Class 11 guys run 7.00-15s. Most run 215 to 235s. And those front fenders look "radiused". That's a no-no in Class 11. Rolling the edge is allowed, but increasing the radius is not. It does look as though it could use more ride height like Bill's. I see no skid plates either. But I understand it isn't "done" yet. |
We did end up radiusing the front fenders, the tires that came on it are brand new so I didn't want to have to buy new ones, going to try to run it like this and see how it is. If I do end up racing it I will have to get new fenders and tires to get the proper clearance.
It does have front and rear skids though. You can see the front one in this pic
And the rear covers and engine and tranny, with access hole for oil changes.
Another question for you guys...I want to put in a front and rear window, like I said, and the front window will fit fine, but if I put in a solid glass back window it will block access to the fuel level dipstick and the button that runs the car in first gear to help get unstuck. I was thinking maybe a piece of plexiglass on hinges that flips up in the same way as the decklid? Any other ideas? |
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geoffwg Samba Member
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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thext94 wrote: |
Another question for you guys...I want to put in a front and rear window, like I said, and the front window will fit fine, but if I put in a solid glass back window it will block access to the fuel level dipstick and the button that runs the car in first gear to help get unstuck. I was thinking maybe a piece of plexiglass on hinges that flips up in the same way as the decklid? Any other ideas? |
Check Motorbreath's thread on a hatch for his rear window. That's a concept I've thought of since the late 1960s, but never have tried to build.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=268853
And for those who are reading both of these threads...Think about the bolt holes in the 1/4 window popouts in a Toyota Xtra Cab...the hinge bolts and the latch bolt are in holes drilled through the glass. _________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
Tech Inspection 1963 - 2012 SCCA/SCORE/HDRA/MORE/MDR +
Retired from building Bajas, Fiberglass Buggies and Rails in the Mojave Desert. Also Sprints & Midgets, Dry Lakes, Road Race cars. All types New and Vintage
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thext94 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting thread...the hinges seem straight forward enough, but getting a proper seal around the edge seems like it could be an issue. May be better off having an access hole, like a sliding or spin-off hole? |
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blitzschnell racing Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2007 Posts: 629 Location: Oakhurst, California
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:33 am Post subject: |
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pillow block is illegal for your steering btw |
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wanta23 Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2007 Posts: 534 Location: At The Beach
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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blitzschnell racing wrote: |
pillow block is illegal for your steering btw |
Since he's owned it, we've found several thing that are "illegal" so it wont be raced unless totally changed so the pillow block and trimmed fenders aren't much of an issue at this point. We'll trim the fenders, and do whatever else he wants to to make it a fun car to beat up a little and race around the desert. _________________ '66 13 window camper
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