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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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DJ Bill wrote: |
That's the first time I have seen one of the TV shows actually give up on the original car and get a replacement.....Unfortunately I was occupied when they made the decision to get a new "donor car" and missed just what was wrong with the original Beetle. Was it typical floor pan and heater channel rot or worse??
Awesome looking paint, on TV... Rest of the car wasn't my style but Chip doesn't do stock builds anyway. I think the guys parents were a little taken aback by the large engine... but all in all it seemed like a decent job for a deserving guy. |
Foose destroyed a 65 Impala, a 64-65 Buick Skylark, a Pontiac GTO and this bug. Don't they know drip rails have a purpose?? |
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think Foose should do design contract work for the auto industry, or work for a manufacturer's design studio instead of trying to recreate something over someone else's work. If he's so good he ought to create his own stuff from scratch. |
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Andre@KGPR/Airhead Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2011 Posts: 228 Location: Ventura CA
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Helfen wrote: |
Don't they know drip rails have a purpose?? |
I've seen them shaved on some high dollar early 911'a as well. I don't think they're meant to be ran in the rain with the windows down... |
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ovalshark Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2001 Posts: 265 Location: Caldwell, Idaho
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: Foose |
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Agreed! |
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Andre@KGPR/Airhead wrote: |
Helfen wrote: |
Don't they know drip rails have a purpose?? |
I've seen them shaved on some high dollar early 911'a as well. I don't think they're meant to be ran in the rain with the windows down... |
They are mainly there so you don't get a water dumped on your head when it's been raining and you open the door. |
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2344 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:00 am Post subject: |
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In 1987/88, Porsche built the 959 without drip rails _________________ Jack Staggs
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BlastMasterMannyFresh Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2001 Posts: 6102 Location: #31peach
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Jacks wrote: |
In 1987/88, Porsche built the 959 without drip rails |
in 2012 Chip Foose recreated that in a 67 beetle |
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2344 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:16 am Post subject: |
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mannys66 wrote: |
Jacks wrote: |
In 1987/88, Porsche built the 959 without drip rails |
in 2012 Chip Foose recreated that in a 67 beetle |
Imagine that. _________________ Jack Staggs
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Jacks wrote: |
mannys66 wrote: |
Jacks wrote: |
In 1987/88, Porsche built the 959 without drip rails |
in 2012 Chip Foose recreated that in a 67 beetle |
Imagine that. |
Almost all new cars and trucks do not have drip rails, but the way the new doors are designed where the door itself curves into the roof with a drip channel and rubber frame molding that is hidden you don't need a outside drip rail. Taking the drip rail away from a car that has a conventional door frame is foolish. |
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zozo Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2005 Posts: 5217 Location: South of Ol' San Antonio
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Helfen wrote: |
Jacks wrote: |
mannys66 wrote: |
Jacks wrote: |
In 1987/88, Porsche built the 959 without drip rails |
in 2012 Chip Foose recreated that in a 67 beetle |
Imagine that. |
Almost all new cars and trucks do not have drip rails, but the way the new doors are designed where the door itself curves into the roof with a drip channel and rubber frame molding that is hidden you don't need a outside drip rail. Taking the drip rail away from a car that has a conventional door frame is foosish. |
Fixed it for ya. |
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Another overhaulin last night. A 1972 Olds Cutlass. The guys wife says to Foose she wants a solid color...he two tones it anyway. Now remember this is a California car. Foose removes the Olds engine and installs a crate small block Chevy! First, what is the main difference between any GM "A" body?? the Engine! So what Foose has done is make a Chevelle out of a Cutlass. 99% of Olds fans bought Oldsmobiles because they have Olds engines! If you don't believe me check the number of law suits brought against GM when GM started doing this very same thing in the mid-late 70's. Second the crate engine was absent of the emission controls that are still mandatory for this vehicle to have on and working and the smog laws on the books say so and those cars can be made to come into Smog Check program anytime!
The last thing Foose does is install huge wheels that were NEVER designed to fit that body. The car looked like it was on steroids with those wheels. |
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BlastMasterMannyFresh Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2001 Posts: 6102 Location: #31peach
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'm getting really tired of this Chip Foose guy, when is he gonna show his face around here and defend his actions?
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Jakebob Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2007 Posts: 181 Location: Taylor Mill, KY
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Helfen wrote: |
Another overhaulin last night. A 1972 Olds Cutlass. The guys wife says to Foose she wants a solid color...he two tones it anyway. Now remember this is a California car. Foose removes the Olds engine and installs a crate small block Chevy! . |
He did the same thing with that old Chevy pickup. The guy had a 500 Caddy in it. When they opened the hood, you could see he was disappointed that his truck was now SBC powered. Just like every other one you see. _________________
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It was the rumor he was a gerbler.
He vehemently denied it and gerbils don't talk much.. |
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ovalshark Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2001 Posts: 265 Location: Caldwell, Idaho
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: Foose |
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Well as much as some hate, I know of a certain 55 Bel Air post, he can jack at any time. He can also put a small block chevy in it (please) rather than a BB caddy boat anchor, I won't be mad. |
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Foose |
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ovalshark wrote: |
Well as much as some hate, I know of a certain 55 Bel Air post, he can jack at any time. He can also put a small block chevy in it (please) rather than a BB caddy boat anchor, I won't be mad. |
Please don't say to a Pontiac, Olds, or Buick fan when they find a SBC installed that they are haters. Brand loyalty is a big thing in those camps. I know I'm in two of the three. At GM the only large ticket items like engine and sometimes transmissions are the main difference between besides some sheet metal that make each make separate from each other. To many the engine is the heart and soul of their brand. So when this is done it is considered by enthusiast of those particular brands that the person doing it IS the real hater.
You want to see someone really get mad when their brand is violated? or should I say hated.....remember now these people feel violated because their brand was violated. Just go to a Porsche 356 car show with a VW engine in one of them.
It's just human nature. |
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Stetoppingphoto Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2012 Posts: 475 Location: Darwen
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: |
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I hate that and the split _________________ stetoppingphoto |
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David Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2004 Posts: 2027 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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ya know, I can take some of his ideas/projects and leave others. Overall though, I think he's great at what he does. I still haven't gotten around to watching the latest VW ep... lol.
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I think Foose should do design contract work for the auto industry, or work for a manufacturer's design studio instead of trying to recreate something over someone else's work. If he's so good he ought to create his own stuff from scratch. |
He took your advice decades ago. This is just one of his ideas.
http://www.chipfoose.com/ws_display.asp?filter=Hemisfear
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Hemisfear is the culmination of a 16 year personal dream for Chip. In 1990, during his senior year at the prestigious Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, California, Chip and his classmates were presented with a Chrysler-sponsored graduation project. They were to design a vehicle for a niche market. Chip took a bit of a spin on the concept, he didn't want to design for an existing market, he wanted to create a new one.
With its unique flair, Chip's 1:5 scale model of the Hemisfear gained significant recognition and was even featured in an issue of HOT ROD magazine. It also became the inspiration for the Plymouth Prowler, as careful study of the two will show many design similarities. OEM's had now recognized the need to fulfill this "hot-rod" niche market as vehicles like the PT Cruiser, Chevrolet SSR and Chevrolet HHR were made available to consumers.
Chip actually began building a chassis for a real version of the Hemisfear while working for Boyd Coddington, but there was never enough time to complete the project. That all changed in 2005, when Chip signed a die-cast toy deal with RC2 Corp that also included seed money to complete the Hemisfear build. The entire car was first designed on the computer with CAD drawings. The original scale model was digitized and a fullsize version was computer-milled out of foam. The foam was then used as the buck to form the carbon-fiber body.
A limited edition vehicle program was also introduced and at SEMA 2006 two Hemisfears were unveiled, the preproduction unit in Hemisfear lime green and the first production model in black. It was a full 16 years for this vehicle to make it from original concept to working vehicle. In total, 5 Hemisfears were built and produced.
Part supercar, part custom and part hot rod, Hemisfear is perhaps the most renowned Foose vehicle. |
_________________ Cheers,
Dave
*October '54 Ragtop
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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David wrote: |
ya know, I can take some of his ideas/projects and leave others. Overall though, I think he's great at what he does. I still haven't gotten around to watching the latest VW ep... lol.
Helfen wrote: |
I think Foose should do design contract work for the auto industry, or work for a manufacturer's design studio instead of trying to recreate something over someone else's work. If he's so good he ought to create his own stuff from scratch. |
He took your advice decades ago. This is just one of his ideas.
http://www.chipfoose.com/ws_display.asp?filter=Hemisfear
chipfoose.com wrote: |
Hemisfear is the culmination of a 16 year personal dream for Chip. In 1990, during his senior year at the prestigious Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, California, Chip and his classmates were presented with a Chrysler-sponsored graduation project. They were to design a vehicle for a niche market. Chip took a bit of a spin on the concept, he didn't want to design for an existing market, he wanted to create a new one.
With its unique flair, Chip's 1:5 scale model of the Hemisfear gained significant recognition and was even featured in an issue of HOT ROD magazine. It also became the inspiration for the Plymouth Prowler, as careful study of the two will show many design similarities. OEM's had now recognized the need to fulfill this "hot-rod" niche market as vehicles like the PT Cruiser, Chevrolet SSR and Chevrolet HHR were made available to consumers.
Chip actually began building a chassis for a real version of the Hemisfear while working for Boyd Coddington, but there was never enough time to complete the project. That all changed in 2005, when Chip signed a die-cast toy deal with RC2 Corp that also included seed money to complete the Hemisfear build. The entire car was first designed on the computer with CAD drawings. The original scale model was digitized and a fullsize version was computer-milled out of foam. The foam was then used as the buck to form the carbon-fiber body.
A limited edition vehicle program was also introduced and at SEMA 2006 two Hemisfears were unveiled, the preproduction unit in Hemisfear lime green and the first production model in black. It was a full 16 years for this vehicle to make it from original concept to working vehicle. In total, 5 Hemisfears were built and produced.
Part supercar, part custom and part hot rod, Hemisfear is perhaps the most renowned Foose vehicle. |
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So why is he still customizing over other designers work? What you show is one car, and how many thousands of that car did he manage to sell? A good designer produces hundreds, if not thousands of fresh ideas from scratch in a lifetime. Look up some of the greatest body designers in the automotive world, past and present..see their life's work and compare. If you've really studied the subject you would see what I'm talking about. |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17963 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Maybe Helfen will post a few pictures of his cars to show Foose how it should be done? _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up you end up with a lot of scum on the top! - Russ_Wolfe/Edward Abbey |
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Fisher wrote: |
Maybe Helfen will post a few pictures of his cars to show Foose how it should be done? |
It make no difference what my five cars that I collect look like because they are absolutely all stock bodied and paint colors. We are talking about redoing someone else's work here. The original body designers of my or anyone else's cars needs to be respected and that is the issue here. It also doesn't matter if you don't like a particular car model, just buy something else instead of changing the original artist own vision. You wouldn't buy a picture of the Mona Lisa and then say "well I'll paint over that and put her in a bikini"
Ich weiß nicht, wie ich es noch klarer! |
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