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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: what kind of frame is this? Reply with quote

I just got this and was wondering what kind of frame it is and what kind of transmission it has. THanks

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have not a clue to source of frame, but front suspension is ball joint and transaxle is late IRS ( 69 or later)....

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berrien warrior.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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transaxle is late IRS ( 69 or later).


73 or later single side cover IRS Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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transaxle is late IRS ( 69 or later).


73 or later single side cover IRS Wink


little better than that.... I believe its a 75 up.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that it really matters, but I think the single side cover case was 73 and up, and the new stronger side covers were used from 75 and up...again, not that it matters, the internal guts are still the same as far as I know. Now, if you have the stronger side cover, you got one nice solid transmission case!

The 3.875 ring and pinion may be on the tall side for off roading...especially in fourth gear...especially with bigger rear tires.

I also noticed the "coil over shocks" on the back. If it rides stiff you might consider ditching them and running light gas charged shocks, or even plain old oil shocks. You probably could benefit from some light shocks on the front too.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I checked out your other pictures, and I found this...

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You have the stronger 75 and up side cover with the extra reinforcing ring. Congratulations, you have the strongest stock VW bug case made Wink

You might also have the luxury of a longer clutch lever arm for lighter foot pedal action. I forget when that was introduced, but it was sometime around then.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like how someone thought to put the rubber seal on the nose cone... you know, to help seal up the tunnel Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vanapplebomb wrote:
Not that it really matters, but I think the single side cover case was 73 and up, and the new stronger side covers were used from 75 and up...again, not that it matters, the internal guts are still the same as far as I know. Now, if you have the stronger side cover, you got one nice solid transmission case!

The 3.875 ring and pinion may be on the tall side for off roading...especially in fourth gear...especially with bigger rear tires.

I also noticed the "coil over shocks" on the back. If it rides stiff you might consider ditching them and running light gas charged shocks, or even plain old oil shocks. You probably could benefit from some light shocks on the front too.



Thanks you for the info. I am new to rail buggies and did not know what I have, or if it was even worth building. So the IRS is out out of a car or bus? And if I put shorter wider tractor tires on it, will that help the trans out any as far as the 3.875 gear goes?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have that same frame, IRS, and BJ front suspension. If you're planning on offroading in fourth on tall tires, you might want to just save time and have someone kick your spine.

What are you wanting to do with it? Mess around off road only, or drive it a bit?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess on the frame is a Berrien 290, 295 or Warrior. They all look pretty similar.

http://www.berrienbuggy.com/sand-rails/two-seat-options/classic-295-2-seat.html
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Measure the center to center distance between the tires on the ground. That will tell you if it is a 290 or a 295 Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tdonaldson wrote:
I have that same frame, IRS, and BJ front suspension. If you're planning on offroading in fourth on tall tires, you might want to just save time and have someone kick your spine.

What are you wanting to do with it? Mess around off road only, or drive it a bit?


Its just going to be a woods buggy to play around in on the weekends.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is a Warrior.

The 290 and 295 have an extra brace running from the inside of the top rail down to the torsion horns.
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The Warrior does not.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it would be good to add that tube so your frame horns don't break. If you had a swingaxle, those tubes would get in the way of installing or removing the trans. In that case, the braces need to bolt in place. But since you have an IRS, the axles unbolt from the trans and R&R is EZ with those braces. Note that they have to clear the bellhousing, starter and headers.
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