Eurovan: Swap in Jetta/Golf 2.0 ?

[Vanagon Nut]

Hi all.

Getting no love on the EV yahoo group so.....

A very long term thought should I ever switch to an EVC, but will a Jetta/Golf 2.0 bolt up to the EV 5 spd. bell housing and sit at the correct angle?

My guess is "yes" but wiser minds will know.

Though the gearing etc. is different, the Vanagon and EV weights aren't vastly different so I figured that in terms of power reduction, an ABA or AEG into a 5 spd. EVC might be feasible. Ultimately it seems a 1.8T would be a great engine to install.

Neil.
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[danfromsyr]

having made a EV 2.5l adapter into a vanagon and owning a few I4 vanagon swaps. my best guess is no, but anything is possible with time, money and determination.
people do put 1.8Ts into the 5cyl Audi sedans, stating enough holes match, but I just don't get the feel of it holding all the parts up together..
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[Vanagon Nut]

Thanks Dan.

Ya my internal visualization is likely backwards. Figured that since the bolt pattern of the 5 and 4 cly. VW gas inline engines need to be adapted to the Vanagon transmission, the 4 cyl. would bolt up to the EV manual tranny.

Edit: Sorry. I think I misunderstood.

So since some swap the 1.8T into an Audi, the 2.0 NA I4 studs and bolts would line up to the EV 5 spd clutch housing? If so....

I anticipated that there would be changes required to the engine mounts. And of course this wouldn't be a simple swap given the electronics involved. But. My guess is that the various wire lengths of the Mk3 harness would be suitable to the EV body.

Neil.
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1988 West DIY 50º ABA

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[D Clymer]

[Vanagon Nut]

[D Clymer]

Good info in your links, Neil. I just scanned through the TDI Club one and saw that I was wrong about the bellhousing on the 02B. Apparently it has holes for both the 4 and 5 cylinder engines. So that means you could use a 93-95 Eurovan 5 speed van as a basis, use the tranny as is, and make custom mounts brackets to mate the 4 cylinder block to the subframe. You could always source the oem ones from Germany, but if you are doing something non-standard like a 1.8T or a 4 cylinder TDI, the factory brackets might have clearance issues. Either way, it would be pretty simple to physically mount the engine.

In Canada during the first few years, you had the Eurovan CV. It was a real Westfalia camper with a full Westfalia interior. I've always liked this model, partly because it was the last true Westfalia camper we got in North America, and partly because I like the looks of the standard length van more than the long one.

David

[Vanagon Nut]

Cool.

Seems the TDI swap info is very relevant. Thanks for that clue. Certainly opens up some search results.

Though somewhat OT, here's a page showing how one EV owner swapped his taller Golf 5th gear into the EV transmission:

http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=22159

Putting in a 2.0 might be an illogical step backwards for the EVC but maybe "ok" for an EV.

And for sure; I'd prefer a Westy interior quality.

Neil.
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[Jake de Villiers]

A Eurovan Westy weighs in at 5,250 lbs, a good 1000 lbs more than a 1991 Vanagon Westy - I can't see a 2 litre inline four being a good fit!
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[uncommonvw]

I'm not 100% sure if the FWD Eurovan bellhousing is the same as the Audi Quattro 5 cylinder bellhousing but 034 Motorsports makes an adaptor to mate the VR6 to a 5 cylinder Audi transmission. This would be a nice set up in a Eurovan.
Not what the OP asked but information nonetheless.

[?Waldo?]

A friend has a '93 5-speed eurovan transmission at his shop. It has the bolt holes for mounting EITHER the 4-cyl or the 5-cyl. I do not believe that the mounting angle is the same as when it a jetta/golf. I would not bother to install an ABA. I would do an ALH. If I had to choose a gas engine I'd go with a 1.8t.

[oorwullie]

a guy i know is doing something similar and the dipstick hole in the block is in a completely different place.

he ended up using the original eurovan block and all the newer internals from a golf diesel.

[danfromsyr]

the european and canadian market 1992 EVs came with a 2.0L 4cyl engine.
the bolt pattern may be a relic of that initial offering in the transmission casting.
anyone know if you can put a 4cyl upto a EV automatic transmission?
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[CdnVWJunkie]

[quote="danfromsyr"]the european and canadian market 1992 EVs came with a 2.0L 4cyl engine. [quote/]

We actually only had five engines offered here in Canada. AAF and ACU 5 cylinder gas, AAB 5 cylinder NA diesel and both VR6s.
You'd have to source the 4 cylinder mounts either south of your border or in Europe.

I agree with the others who've stated their reservations about using an ABA. Good engine but not really suitable for a heavy T4, maybe if it was boosted via a SC or Turbo.

The early TDIs 1Z/AHU have the same block design therefore the 4 cylinder Euro mounts are nearly bolt on. There is a couple holes to drill and tap for the right mount and the oil dipstick tube must be drilled out as well. With the right components it's a fairly straight forward swap.

[Vanagon Nut]

Yup.

[Itsamoto]

I think the 1.8t swap is pretty viable if you've got the skills and/or time.

Check out the Uk T4 forum -- there's a DIY on it.

http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=408537

[Zeitgeist 13]

Very cool
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[Xtremjeepn]

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[Vanagon Nut]

Nice write up.
From that:

"here is also an opinion that 1.8T engines require stronger con-rods when fitted to a T4 (in a golf they are generally regarded as necessary for 350bhp+) due to the increased load/revs/drag of the heavier and less aerodynamic van with a shorter gearbox – two of the first 1.8T T4s threw rods, although there may be other factors that caused or contributed. Conversely, there are currently 4 or 5 1.8T T4s that are running standard rods with no ill effects to date."

I'm not that familiar with engine management tuning but could con rod failure in that application be due an OEM tune being mismatched to the gears and vehicle weight? i.e. tune the management vs con rod R&R ?

Neil.

[Zeitgeist 13]

My money would be on "...there may be other factors that caused or contributed"
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'01 Weekender --> full camper
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[Vanagon Nut]

ha. Indeed. Can't imagine the temptation of more power.
I guess a specific tune can't overcome vehicle weight, limitations of materials and a heavy foot.

Neil.