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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject: Windshield corner drain holes Reply with quote

Hi, I need some pictures of the windshield corner drain holes ?
I have a 62 beetle ..... thank you

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The drain holes were for the assembly coating dip process for excess liquid drain off. The drains are not really required.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my one-owner '71 Type 3, similar drain holes for the rear window had a piece of adhesive tape covering the hole from the factory. So clearly VW did not intend these to be water drain holes.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are very usefull in the beetle

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Drain holes blocked ... result

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So where does the water go that you believe should go through a drain hole? Into the heater channels, rusting out the structure of the car. This is not what VW intended.

Replacing the windshield seal is a two hour job in a Bug. No need to risk hidden structural rust due to lack of easily-replaced seals.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are drain holes in the lower quarters, just ahead of the running board mount.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So please tell me why VW covered such holes at the factory? Rust us rust, whether on a Type 1 front drain hole, or a rear Type 3 drain hole.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my look listen do it better service bulletin # 14, it clearly shows and explains the flow of water down the lock pilar, under the sill plate, through a hole, into the rocker and out a pair of drain holes on an early Ghia.

Nope, don't like it myself.... But they expected people would actually drive these cars and sometimes they may be subjected to getting wet. So there had to be some way to allow trapped water a way to escape.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In my look listen do it better service bulletin # 14, it clearly shows and explains the flow of water down the lock pilar, under the sill plate, through a hole, into the rocker and out a pair of drain holes on an early Ghia.


Sure for the Ghia door lower sill area (heck the bus has the same drain setup), while not ideal that is the way VW designed it. Not so for the Beetle...

Problem is those primer drian holes in the windshield area in the Beetle drips down into "A" pillar. There the water works its way into the heater defrost tube. Then in the heater channel the water rusts out the heater channel and when enough water gets into there it pours out the heater vent and rusts out the pan halves.

Check out the 1960s VW Workshop Manual that shows those primer holes are to be taped over and sealant/cement applied between the rubber seal and body.

The only Beetle with drains down near the bottom of the body are metal sunroofs. With those there are four plastic tubes that run all the way from the sunroof to out the bottom of the body.

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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/looklisten_9.php

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And the "Damage Numbers" Manual here has a couple of sections on how to seal out water from getting into the type 3 and 1 VW in great detail:

http://oacdp.org/aboutdoc.html

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The drain holes in the bottom of the doors are more plentiful and larger then the ones in the A pillars. And the doors are ALWAYS full of dirt and debris that is clogging up those holes.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ hence rule #2 when shopping for a ragtop- check out the severity of A pillar rust below the hinge. (Notice I didn't say the possibility of rust)

For the OP- I say go ahead with plans for faithful hole reproduction- but understand they are not designed for successful water drainage. You better get as much paint on the underside of the flange, however, or your rust problems will not be of a nature VW ever intended to prevent.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: '62 Drain Holes Reply with quote

Here are pics of my '62 drain holes front and rear.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Very Happy

I'm not satisfied with this welding (called brazing in Italy). What do you think ?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kind of hard to tell the 3D shape from a 2D image. Does look like you have a bit of a gouge in one area. If you have a machinist friend who can loan you a set of radius gauges or just make one from your windshield profile..

As long as it will seal against a seal and sealant a must with that. We have used roofing tar or you can go down to your local glass shop and have them seal it for you. Have tried lots of off the hardware shelf sealants and that is the only one we have found to work for more than six months in our rainy PNW weather.
Talked to a glass shop worker the other day and they use butyl rubber, but will not warranty that it will seal if the auto has a sub woofer!

Use a high primer sealant on the metal to help galvanize against rust. Anything with less than 85% zinc is a waste of $$, been able to find 95%. Does really help.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brazing and welding are a different process.

Brazing uses brass as a filler metal. So where ever you put brass won't rust - at least not the brass. Brazing also uses a much lower heat temperature then welding.

Usually when brazing you heat the metal with a torch until it just starts to glow red, then put the brass on and flow it with the heat. The heat actually opens small pores in the metal and the brass flows into them. Then when it cools the pores close tight around the brass and that is what locks it to the surface/

Welding is a much higher temperture that actually melts the steel, then the filler material is also steel. It all flows together and forms one piece when it cools.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like those drain holes did a lot to prevent rust. The ones in my windshield area look to be factory sealed, and while there was a bit of pitting, it was nothing like that.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:14 am    Post subject: Drain Holes Reply with quote

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I hate to say it, but it doesn't look like those drain holes did a lot to prevent rust. The ones in my windshield area look to be factory sealed, and while there was a bit of pitting, it was nothing like that.


Ah------- They're NOT drain holes for Rain or Water. They're for draining out excess primer from the dipping process at the factory. Review above posts.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You just said their purpose was to drain. That makes them drain holes. Yes, the holes in the front and rear window areas were intended to DRAIN primer. If water is past the seals, it is new seals that are needed, not more holes in the car.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe a drain is a drain. For any moisture that gets past the windshield gasket, with the added benefit of draining the primer in the painting process.

Whats the source that says it was for draining the primer?? Maybe I need to re-read this thread. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whats the source that says it was for draining the primer?? Maybe I need to re-read this thread. Rolling Eyes


Yes, you do.
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