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Bliss13
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| Drive it while you do the bodywork one fender at a time using a good spray can primer until you are ready to spray it all with epoxy primer. Have solid used fender/door/rocker pieces welded in. |
That was kinda the plan going into it. But I am now considering just stripping it down and putting it in the shop. Once I render it undriveable I will be past the point of no return. As it is, I've been teetering back and forth between hoodride and full restoration, depending on my mood...
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Bobnotch
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| Drive it while you do the bodywork one fender at a time using a good spray can primer until you are ready to spray it all with epoxy primer. Have solid used fender/door/rocker pieces welded in. |
Mike, what do you call "good spray can primer"? I'm only asking, as most primers absorb water and moisture, and I've had problems with epoxy "lifting" and "crazing" due to spray can primer being underneath the epoxy. This is mostly because the reducers in the epoxy are reacting with the spray can stuff. I prefer to just use the epoxy, and cal it good (for sealing).
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Bobnotch
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| Bliss13 wrote: |
| But I am now considering just stripping it down and putting it in the shop. Once I render it undriveable I will be past the point of no return. As it is, I've been teetering back and forth between hoodride and full restoration, depending on my mood... |
I'd leave it like it is, and drive it until you find the parts you're going to need to fix it. Then put it down for the work. It might be a month or more before you find the parts, or even have them for a shop. That's a month you could be enjoying it. For the cowl piece, you could always use aluminum duct tape to keep any water out. It won't hurt anything, since that section will need to be replaced. I've been doing that for several years, on my 65 Notch. But, this spring it's getting it's turn for work. 
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Mike Fisher
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| Drive it while you do the bodywork one fender at a time using a good spray can primer until you are ready to spray it all with epoxy primer. Have solid used fender/door/rocker pieces welded in. |
Mike, what do you call "good spray can primer"? I'm only asking, as most primers absorb water and moisture, and I've had problems with epoxy "lifting" and "crazing" due to spray can primer being underneath the epoxy. This is mostly because the reducers in the epoxy are reacting with the spray can stuff. I prefer to just use the epoxy, and cal it good (for sealing). |
I buy everything at my local Automotive Paint store and follow their system. They do have or will load compatible spray can primers/sealers.
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ataraxia
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| Bliss13 wrote: |
| But I am now considering just stripping it down and putting it in the shop. Once I render it undriveable I will be past the point of no return. As it is, I've been teetering back and forth between hoodride and full restoration, depending on my mood... |
I'd leave it like it is, and drive it until you find the parts you're going to need to fix it. |
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Being that you're in SoCal, parts should be relatively easy to find but that can sometimes take longer than you think. Driving it is a nice perk while you're sourcing parts. It can be easy to get discouraged if you take the car apart and then can't find the part you need to get you into the next phase.
Drive it and enjoy it while it's in one piece, then when you've collected the parts, you can strip it down and do all of the body work at once and put it back together. |
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Bliss13
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Now, who says that common sense is the least common kind? Haha, thanks guys. That all sounds good to me.
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Der Speed Shack
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| I might have that cowl peice, i'll take a look this weekend. |
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Bliss13
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| I might have that cowl peice, i'll take a look this weekend. |
That would be awesome. I'm thinking this will be the hardest part to find. Thanks.
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Bobnotch
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| I might have that cowl peice, i'll take a look this weekend. |
That would be awesome. I'm thinking this will be the hardest part to find. Thanks. |
Joel aka Boo_Koo_Z up in Washington has a couple listed in the classifieds right now. They've still got the dash attached, but you could always have him cut that part out, to save some weight on shipping. 
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Der Speed Shack
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| I have a really nice one, pm your cell and ill text a pic. I can probably pull that rocker out for you to if you want, with no holes drilled. Let me know, Randy |
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Bliss13
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| I have a really nice one, pm your cell and ill text a pic. I can probably pull that rocker out for you to if you want, with no holes drilled. Let me know, Randy |
PM sent.
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Bliss13
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Pretty nice parts haul this weekend. Picked up hood, deck lid, drivers door (need to trade for passenger door) and two straight rear fenders. The fenders were stripped to bare metal and left outside for a while, so there is some pretty good surface rust on the outside, but I got a really great price for the pair. So I'm close...
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Der Speed Shack
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| I havent received a pm from anyone, you can call me at 562-694-0787. Randy |
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Bliss13
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| I havent received a pm from anyone, you can call me at 562-694-0787. Randy |
Damn, I thought you were just busy. I was hoping you'd call Saturday when I was traveling the earth scrounging for parts! I'll give you a call tomorrow.
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Bliss13
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| I might have that cowl peice, i'll take a look this weekend. |
That would be awesome. I'm thinking this will be the hardest part to find. Thanks. |
Joel aka Boo_Koo_Z up in Washington has a couple listed in the classifieds right now. They've still got the dash attached, but you could always have him cut that part out, to save some weight on shipping. |
I looked at the pieces Boo_Koo_Z has, and it appears that the vents are flush with the sheet metal of the cowl. Mine are sunken in. What year did that change?
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vwfye
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are the doors from another notchback? i ask because the hinges are different for the notch than for most squares and all fastbacks. keep workin' hard... someone has to
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Bliss13
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| are the doors from another notchback? i ask because the hinges are different for the notch than for most squares and all fastbacks. keep workin' hard... someone has to |
I was told the door came off a '64 notch and I did notice that the hinges looked kinda strange to me.
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ataraxia
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| are the doors from another notchback? i ask because the hinges are different for the notch than for most squares and all fastbacks. keep workin' hard... someone has to |
I was told the door came off a '64 notch and I did notice that the hinges looked kinda strange to me. |
If it's off of a 64 you should be fine. 66 was the last year of the 3 bolt hinge for the Variant/Squareback but they continued for the Notchback.
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ALLWAGONS
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All notchback door hinges are the same. Early (pre '66) squarebacks share those same hinges.
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