Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Assembly lubes what do you use?
Page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Forum Index -> Performance/Engines/Transmissions Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
rammintwins
Samba Member


Joined: September 30, 2011
Posts: 124
Location: carson,ca
rammintwins is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:51 pm    Post subject: Assembly lubes what do you use? Reply with quote

Just lookin to see what everyone uses for assembly lubes, sealants etc etc
use arp lube for torquing down ?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Glenn Premium Member
Mr. 010


Joined: December 25, 2001
Posts: 76760
Location: Sneaking up behind you
Glenn is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use white lithium grease on stock builds and Torco cam lube in hi-po builds.

For the case I use Permatex Aviation.

Around the cylinders I use Permatex Ultra Copper.

For the flywheel seal I use white lithium.
_________________
Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"

Member #1009

#BlueSquare
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
kielbasa
Samba Member


Joined: November 28, 2007
Posts: 1443
Location: Garbage Grove, CA
kielbasa is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me:
What ever oil you use (for me 20/50 bradpenn) 50/50 mix with lucas oil on all bearings flywheel seal ect..
Cam lobes and lifter faces: lots and lots of moly grease
Lifter bodys: little bit of moly and 50/50 mix on top of it
As for cylinders head/case nuts/washers... either grey black or copper works fine... all does the same shit. But only copper silicone on exhaust flanges. No more gaskets for me.
Case halfs yamabond
Oil pump grey black or copper on case side, and curil on cover side. With moly grease between pump gears. And sealing nuts (RED SIDE DOWN!!!)
_________________
Gotta give my props to:
Wolfsburg Motorsports
Dubbers Toy Box
Jeff's VW Speed and Fab
4inbore.com
Kielbasa Industries
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
modok
Samba Member


Joined: October 30, 2009
Posts: 26740
Location: Colorado Springs
modok is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember that when dealing with engines, the torque specs assume you lube the fastener with engine oil unless it says otherwise. If you use ARP's lube, you should drop the values maybe 10% since it has less friction. If you use regular oil on a rod bolt instead of arp lube, you will have to increase the torque by 10% or more.

Best thing to do is follow the darn instructions Wink

valve guides/pushrods/rockers/lash adjusters and other stuff that needs EP lube, please use GEAR OIL instead of engine oil or grease.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
rammintwins
Samba Member


Joined: September 30, 2011
Posts: 124
Location: carson,ca
rammintwins is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol modok, istructions? Men don't read instuctions Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
slalombuggy
Samba Member


Joined: July 17, 2010
Posts: 9131
Location: Canada
slalombuggy is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUBES

Valves - white lithium assembly lube
Springs 5w30 before firing engine
Rockers - straight white lithium assembly lube
Pistons - WD-40 (mixed with 5w30 if engine won't be fired for a couple weeks
Crank, rods and piston pins, endplay shims - white lithium lube mixed with 5w30
Rear main - white lithium assembly lube
Lifters - white lithium lube/oil on body, moly lube supplied by cam grinder on head.
Cam - lithium assembly lube/oil on bearings, supplied moly on lobes
Oil pump - pack lightly with straight lithium assembly lube just enough so the gears have a good coating to seal them

Sealants

Barrels/shims, Generator stand, fuel pump block, case washers, deep sump to case - Permatex Right Stuff

Head studs that are open to the inside of the case - Permayex thread sealant
Full flow fittings - Permatex thread sealant
Case plugs - Loctite Blue
Case halves - Permatex aviation gasket shelac

brad


Last edited by slalombuggy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:33 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Eaallred
Samba Member


Joined: May 18, 2003
Posts: 5756
Location: West Valley City, Utah
Eaallred is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Lucas for assembly lube. Sticky, stays in place, and never had an issue.
_________________
Eric Allred

You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; Jealousy you have to earn.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
66brm
Samba Member


Joined: January 25, 2010
Posts: 3676
Location: Perth Western Australia
66brm is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just changed over to Lucas Assy Lube for my builds, I like what I've seen so far
_________________
Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
Aust. RHD 57 Type 1 Oval

modok wrote:
I am an expert at fitting things in holes, been doing it a long time
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Kevinx
Samba Member


Joined: November 08, 2012
Posts: 186
Location: Gainesville Florida
Kevinx is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Permatex red liquid assembly lube for bearings and CRC Moly-Graphite engine assembly grease on everything else.

NEVER EVER use white lithium in an engine build; on an engine with a element style filter. It WILL fill the pours in the element, and not break down under pressure or heat to a passable soluble. White Lith is for door hinges
_________________
In life there is but one way out
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
58Dub
Samba Member


Joined: June 02, 2004
Posts: 1713
Location: Davison, MI
58Dub is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive always used CRC moly assembly lube. Better or worse than others??..I don't know, but Ive never had an issue with it.
_________________
58 Beetle (now just a pile of parts in the corner)
60 Beetle (2221 turbo under construction)
70 Beetle Baja project
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Facebook Gallery Classifieds Feedback
flyboat
Samba Member


Joined: April 21, 2010
Posts: 2752
Location: Bath NC
flyboat is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GM EOS (Engine Oil Suplement) for the entire build, unless it's going to sit for a while then I use white lithium grease
_________________
79 super Vert
62 Ragtop Bug
66 tintop Westy
Porsche 914
09 Z06 Vette track car
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Dale M.
Samba Member


Joined: April 12, 2006
Posts: 20365
Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
Dale M. is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Dale
_________________
“Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.

"Kellison Sand Piper Roadster" For Street & Show.
"Joe Pody Sandrover" Buggy with 2180 for Autocross (Sold)
============================================================
All suggestions and advice are purely my own opinion. You are free to ignore them if you wish ...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
58Dub
Samba Member


Joined: June 02, 2004
Posts: 1713
Location: Davison, MI
58Dub is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale M. wrote:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Dale

yep, thats it
_________________
58 Beetle (now just a pile of parts in the corner)
60 Beetle (2221 turbo under construction)
70 Beetle Baja project
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Facebook Gallery Classifieds Feedback
downsbs
Samba Member


Joined: July 17, 2009
Posts: 540
Location: Avondale, AZ
downsbs is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucas assembly lube. I have been using it for a couple of years now and am happy with it.
_________________
1956 Rag W/ Semaphores
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
rammintwins
Samba Member


Joined: September 30, 2011
Posts: 124
Location: carson,ca
rammintwins is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was goin with lucas on the assembly lube
cam shield for the cam as well
brad penn oil
blue and red loctite
copper gasket sealant
curil t of the case and oil pump
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
SRP1
Samba Member


Joined: January 06, 2007
Posts: 4340

SRP1 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale M. wrote:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Dale


Worst assembly lube on the planet, well maybu good for oil filled wheel baerings.

Heres the deal guys, the bottom line is the engine will live its life on what????????????? OIL! Plain and simple.
Use what to use a high quality oil that has a little more viscosity than what you will be normally running. So a 20-50 is good for assembly.
I have my preferences, it happens to be Amsoils 15-50 Dominator race oil for assemly, or GM's EOS, both really good stuff. Bearings, valves, rockers, everything except for the rings which I only use the Ackerly & Childs Xtreme ring oil on.
The reason is you want the assembly lube to flow out, and blend in with the engine oil your running almost immediately to keep the bearing cool and lubricated. If it does not do that the engine will lock up, and or score the bearings on start up.
Fire it, build pressure and be gone, that is a good assembly lube. The grease as stated above or with lithium grease, hell any grease does not flow out well, nor does it give the hydrodynamic barrier that oil will.
Now cams, that's a little different, but not much. You need a little EP protection for the first couple revolutions, but that too needs to be gone (well it will be gone) almost immediately on start up. So it's all about the oil and quality of the oil your using.
Besides I hate building an engine that feels "tight" because it has some sticky grease crap stuck in the bearings. You can't get a good feel for it, I like the bottom end to float as it turns, if it doesn't it aint right.

So again, high quality motor oils with a good ZDDP add pack are your best choices for engine assembly. I have seen first hand the unnecessary wear that grease will put on the rotating assembly, vs high quality motor oil time and again. It's not worth it.
And of course you always prime the darn engine before firing it right!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
rammintwins
Samba Member


Joined: September 30, 2011
Posts: 124
Location: carson,ca
rammintwins is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice right up srp!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
kielbasa
Samba Member


Joined: November 28, 2007
Posts: 1443
Location: Garbage Grove, CA
kielbasa is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The moly grease only belongs on lifters/cam and in oilpump for priming reasons. I use a mix of bradpenn and lucas because I too believe in high quality oil for assembly lube and lucas gives it a little extra stick so nothing runs or drips too easy, and stays put when sitting on the shelf or what not.
_________________
Gotta give my props to:
Wolfsburg Motorsports
Dubbers Toy Box
Jeff's VW Speed and Fab
4inbore.com
Kielbasa Industries
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
jfats808
Samba Member


Joined: December 10, 2007
Posts: 5022
Location: oahu hawaii
jfats808 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use brad penn assembly lube and have.been happy as a peach with its consistency , stickiness and quality. Aviation permatex on the case sealing edges and grey ultra on the cylinders. I put aviation on tube seals too. I mix bradd penn and whatever cam assembly lube on the lifter faces. I use castrol gtx and zddp additive in my oil.
_________________
2276 IDA's 86C 11-1 DD !
2017 48 Trijet DRLA's W125

Rockstar Suzuki wrote:

You might as well put 10 year build in your bullshit sig, as it will NEVER run. Also your a dick

You can always learn something new, even from a fool.
Check your oil levels routinely!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
laker
Samba Member


Joined: July 31, 2012
Posts: 196
Location: So. Cal
laker is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucas assembly lube.

Permatex aviation on case
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Performance/Engines/Transmissions All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Page 1 of 5

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2023, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB
Links to eBay or other vendor sites may be affiliate links where the site receives compensation.