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chubby53
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was just wondering if a Harbor Frieght 6000lb winch would be worth the investment or is the something i should go for a known good brand???
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jsturtlebuggy
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I am using one of their 5,000lb one on a buggy that weighs as much as a Baja or more and it works good for me.
It has pulled the buggy up a man made rocky hill at the off road park without any strain.
Also has pulled a Baja that high centered on rocks.
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Dale M.
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Almost all low end winches are made in China..... I have a 10,000 lb winch on my Jeep, and the Jeep weighs in at about 4,500 lbs and winch will pull jeep across flat ground with all four wheels locked....
We were stump pulling with winch/jeep and with all wheels locked we were able to snap 5/16 chain choker around stump when stump refused to budge.... Almost had winch cable through radiator...
Guess what I am trying to say is that most Chinese winches are pretty close to being what they advertise to be, though I am sort of anti-Chinese products there are a few that are reasonably well made....
You could buy Warn at double the dollars but most "stucks" are mere a matter of just to get vehicle to move some so it can get traction.....
A 5,000lb winch on a 2,000-2,500 lb car (assuming its either a rail buggy or Baja) should not cause any issue....
One thing I learned immediately was to take plug apart on remote control and reconnect the wires ......
Dale
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GBHgpJON
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| Bit of a hijack here.....but I was thinking about getting a winch for my Glass Buggy, but will I be wasting my time as I'm running a dynamo? |
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jsturtlebuggy
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GB,
If you are worry your generator will not handle it, install a 2nd battery.
This what most people do if planning on doing a lot of winching.
Mine is mounted on a glass body buggy.
I will have to find pictures to show how I mounted it.
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Mal evolent
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rule of thumb in the 4WD world is winch should pull 2.5 times the vehicle weight. mud really, truly sucks and you need to have the beans to overcome said suction.
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Vanapplebomb
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Where is a good place to mount one? My rail frame is powder coated, so I don't want to cut into it and weld mounts to the front. Can It be mounted on a steel plate bolted to the two brackets where the beam bolts to the front clip?
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Dale M.
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| Where is a good place to mount one? My rail frame is powder coated, so I don't want to cut into it and weld mounts to the front. Can It be mounted on a steel plate bolted to the two brackets where the beam bolts to the front clip? |
I would adapt a plate with clamps to front beams for a mount....Clamps I am thinking of is pretty much what sand/woods rail community use to mount beams to chassis...
Something similar to these....
http://www.aa-mfg.com/pdshop/shop/item.aspx?itemid=191
Dale
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norcalracer
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:03 am Post subject: winch |
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| there was a article/comparrison in a past 4-wheel drive magazine and the harborfreight winch rated very well against Warn,Ramsey,superwinch. |
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:26 am Post subject: Re: winch |
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| norcalracer wrote: |
| there was a article/comparrison in a past 4-wheel drive magazine and the harborfreight winch rated very well against Warn,Ramsey,superwinch. |
If you start looking at all the low end winches ($500 or less), they all look like they come from same factory in China.....
Another thing you want to consider is "accessories"....
They make "recovery kits" (generally sell for about $100-$150)... But you can assemble something yourself...
A "recovery" strap... Usually a 20 ft long synthetic material that does not stretch under strain (like cheap nylon tow straps)... Yes there is a difference...
A tree strap.... 6 foot strap to go around tree so you do not have to wrap cable around tree and "cut" it (greenies hate this and you too for doing this) ...
A snatch block (pulley), it can double your pull or route winch cable around corners for you (check load ratings) ....
A couple of large shackles to "connect" everything up (check load ratings) ...
A pair of leather gloves to handle cable ( a winch cable after a couple of uses get whiskers that will eat you) ...
A 8-10 foot length of heavy duty chain with hooks on both ends (good from "connection" up to a vehicle with no dedicated anchor points)...
A bag to put everything in....
If you have a winch but no way to anchor it to a tree or another vehicle its just a useless piece of dead weight on buggy....
The biggest no-no of all is wrapping winch cable around a tree or vehicle bumper and putting hook back on its self... This causes a kink in cable and it is forever damaged and weakened and will probable fail when you need it most....
Dale
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GA_Boy
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Nice post Dale. Another thing is on a hard pull throw a blanket or a couple of coats or towels over the tight cable so if it breaks the backlash will be reduced. A snapped cable can remove your head, windshield, or anything else that gets in the way. Before you hook up you can thread the cable through an old coats sleeves and it won't fall off.
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Old Subarus had a light duty winch option, Might be hard to find though.
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Dale M.
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Nice post Dale. Another thing is on a hard pull throw a blanket or a couple of coats or towels over the tight cable so if it breaks the backlash will be reduced. A snapped cable can remove your head, windshield, or anything else that gets in the way. Before you hook up you can thread the cable through an old coats sleeves and it won't fall off.
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OOPS .... Forgot to mention that.... Recovery kit has "blanket" with pockets you fill with dirt or rocks to create weight ( instructions state about 5 pounds) to prevent "back lash" if cable snaps or you loose "connection"...
Dale
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jsturtlebuggy
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Here a couple of pictures of my winch mount.
Roller fair lead is mounted through front skid plate and to winch mount.
I welded brackets to front axle for winch mount since the axle beam is different than a stock Bug front end.
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norcalracer
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:38 pm Post subject: winch |
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| joseph, ditch the cable and get you a rope cable with a smooth fairlead so much better than cable, and stronger |
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:28 am Post subject: Re: winch |
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| joseph, ditch the cable and get you a rope cable with a smooth fairlead so much better than cable, and stronger |
Do you know what a "synthetic winch cable" costs?... They ain't cheap......
Dale
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jsturtlebuggy
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Jerry,
The amount of use and how long the cable will last as compared rope, I am going to stay with what I have.
That is unless someone decides to donate one to the cause.
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Axitech
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You should always bring winches along. They don't eat much and they sure look good in bikinis. Oh wait, that's wenches. My bad!!
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I use a Warn M8000 on my Jeep and absolutely love it. I've pulled myself, and others out of some really tough situations. Also good for pulling stumps and fence posts too! I did upgrade to AmSteel blue synthetic line, and whew is it expensive, but at 8lbs WITH the hook, the weight savings is unreal. If you decide to go synthetic line, make or buy a cover. You don't want the UV rays to degrade the fibers prematurely. As mentioned before, it's expensive! The supplied cable works just fine, with no real maintenance requirements other than a regular shot of WD-40.
I too entertained the cheaper Chinese winches, but when you NEED it, you need it to work! Recovery is not a place to skimp out on, especially if you like to explore alone. Save your pennies and buy quality. You'll be glad you did. I also mounted my solenoid under the hood with a gigantic home brewed harness to ward off trail damage
I got mine through Amazon, free shipping, and every now and then they go on sale. Mine had a Warn factory rebate ($50 or $100, I can't remember right off hand)
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Chubby
I have a build I'm working on right now putting a 4wd syncro drivetrain into a fiberglass buggy. My projected weight is 1800lbs trail ready. My goal is to keep it as light as possible. After searching I settled on a utv 4500lbs superwinch with synthetic lead. I got this on amazon for $260. With synthetic it should weigh 22lbs, 16" long and 5" in diameter. While I can't attest to it's performance, superwinch is know for building a good winch. 1800lbs X 2.5=4500lbs. Compact, light weight, good planetary gear set and decent amp draw. Hope this helps.
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