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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:18 pm    Post subject: loose crankshaft woodruff key Reply with quote

I just got my DPR crank and I went to install the big woodruff key but it won't fit snug. I have 3 keys all of them slightly different sizes. I didn't polish or sand any of them. One of them I can press in by hand and I can move it easily front to back in its slot. The other 2 when I try to hammer them they get to a certain point and then when I hammer the front stands up and on the next stroke the back will stand up etc. Maybe the slot in my crank is a little big but what do I do?

Keep buying woodruff keys until one fits Question

Get one in as snug as possible and just fit the gear over it Question

I assume (hope??) that a slightly loose key isn't gonna ruin anything but I've never had to deal with this before. What should I do?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you get the crank from dpr? if so contact jose and see what he could do
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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did you get the crank from dpr? if so contact jose and see what he could do


Yeah I got it from DPR. I just figured that the problem was the key not the crank because everything looks fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

de burr it. its supposed to be tight
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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de burr it. its supposed to be tight


De-burr the key? If I do it'll be even looser than it already is.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well the loose one is obviously loose.. the other 2 wouldnt need to be hammered in, if they were loose.
any of those keys original VW?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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well the loose one is obviously loose.. the other 2 wouldnt need to be hammered in, if they were loose.
any of those keys original VW?


No, all 3 are after-market. The ones I can hammer in are slightly too "short" for the keyway and I think that's what's causing the play from end to end. What a pain!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go with a genuine vw audi woodfruff key
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mine were nice an tight, crank was just built by jose last month
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rammintwins wrote:
Go with a genuine vw audi woodfruff key


You know of a source?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i bought mine on ebay from vwearl i think. if not give bill and steves a call, or cb performance

http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=040-105-213
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rammintwins wrote:
i bought mine on ebay from vwearl i think. if not give bill and steves a call, or cb performance

http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=040-105-213


I got me a genuine VW woodruff key.

Now I can push the key into the keyway most of the way by hand and then tap it a few times with an 8 oz hammer to seat it.

Is that good or do I still need a snugger fit Question
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RocketA wrote:
rammintwins wrote:
Go with a genuine vw audi woodfruff key


You know of a source?


I have about 2000 big keys, 2500 little keys, 4000 steel crank gears, 1000 oil slingers, probably 3000 crank gear spacers and 2500 snap rings. The only thing I don't have is many brass gears because sometime in the last 15 years, they were stolen for scrap value. In the last 41 years, we've probably disassembled and scraped about 15,000 engines.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RocketA wrote:
rammintwins wrote:
Go with a genuine vw audi woodfruff key


You know of a source?


I have about 2000 big keys, 2500 little keys, 4000 steel crank gears, 1000 oil slingers, probably 3000 crank gear spacers and 2500 snap rings. The only thing I don't have is many brass gears because sometime in the last 15 years, they were stolen for scrap value. In the last 41 years, we've probably disassembled and scraped about 15,000 engines.


Stolen by employees? Must be the low wages Laughing

Kidding.

Does the fitment of my key sound good? It presses in with fingers most of the way, I finished it off with a 7 oz hammer, and there's no looseness or play.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RocketA wrote:
rammintwins wrote:
Go with a genuine vw audi woodfruff key


You know of a source?


I have about 2000 big keys, 2500 little keys, 4000 steel crank gears, 1000 oil slingers, probably 3000 crank gear spacers and 2500 snap rings. The only thing I don't have is many brass gears because sometime in the last 15 years, they were stolen for scrap value. In the last 41 years, we've probably disassembled and scraped about 15,000 engines.


Stolen by employees? Must be the low wages Laughing

Kidding.

Does the fitment of my key sound good? It presses in with fingers most of the way, I finished it off with a 7 oz hammer, and there's no looseness or play.


You're actually not far off.....on the "former" employee part Wink

As for the key, yes you will have no problem. The gear itself is a press fit so as long as they key isn't falling out, you are good.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my key was tight all the way through, but as long as it is snug you are fine, just like roy said, are you using a stock spacer or using a racer spacer? I used a racer spacer it surrounds the key way area better
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rammintwins wrote:
my key was tight all the way through, but as long as it is snug you are fine, just like roy said, are you using a stock spacer or using a racer spacer? I used a racer spacer it surrounds the key way area better


The key is snug for sure. It didn't just drop in by hand I had to press it in with my fingers before I had to break out the hammer for the rest of it.

I got this kind of spacer

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the racer spacer. Sounds to me like you're good to go.
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