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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ that is what I was leaning to. Mine had a rivet start to get lost and it shredded the gear. It made almost the same exact sound.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

truelinebob wrote:
i will bet you it is the cam gear rivets


Well if it is these "rivets" if I remove my muffler / pulley / pulley tin and the oil pump, WILL I have access to those bolts via the oil pump hole if I rotate the engine by hand so I SHOULD be able to tighen them?

( if they are bolts )

Another clue- it's starting to sound more and more like a Diesel engine.

I've had 5 people in a days ask if I put a diesel motor in...

this is all assuming only if someone put in a cam with bolts in its old life.



If so.. Ill do that saturday
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea if your lucky it is loose bolts but more than likely it is a stock 3 rivet cam and you will have to tear it down to replace. (when i did mine the other day i pulled the oil pump 1st and prayed for loose bolts for it was an 1915 that mofoco built, but it had a stock 3 rivet cam in it Confused )
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

truelinebob wrote:
Yea if your lucky it is loose bolts but more than likely it is a stock 3 rivet cam and you will have to tear it down to replace. (when i did mine the other day i pulled the oil pump 1st and prayed for loose bolts for it was an 1915 that mofoco built, but it had a stock 3 rivet cam in it Confused )


Well.

Shit. Rolling Eyes

Lets see what happens!
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pulling the engine this weekend. Rolling Eyes

Cracking the case and inspecting.

Most likely replacing Cam/crank/rods/lifters. new bearings possible line bore.


Its the right thing to do. Cool

Update on Sunday.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looking at the page 1 posts i thought you had pulled the motor already...
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

truelinebob wrote:
looking at the page 1 posts i thought you had pulled the motor already...


I have.

It was to check:

End-play

Possible loose flywheel? (none)

Put the engine on a stand and have a mechanic check for the noise (unable to locate)


At that time, I didn't know that the cam gear could be the issues.

Anyways. my bottom end is due for a rebuild, ive just kept pushing it off
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think the issue of the noise is everything...

So Pulled the motor this weekend to crack the case.

Glad I did.

Oil Baffle installed wrong...

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Here is whats Odd, This is a VW case, Stock oil pump too.

Everything inside the case is VW marked, and the bearings are standard size.

There was no sealant on the case half's so I assume this is a virgin case that was never cracked open!?

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Toasty main bearings.

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It appears the bearing "slammed" its own markings into the case.

Getting the case line bore, seeing that everything inside is stock the case has never been opened or line bore.

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Just a new rod to compare it with (im not installing these)

My #2 rod was bent out of shape. Weird.

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#2 rod bearing.

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BRAND NEW (not reground) VW Crank And Rods!

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Waiting for the case to come back from the shop for line bore, full Flow cut, and washed.

Waiting for a new Cam and lifters to come in the mail.
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