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DannyT3
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Location: Norway
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 Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:28 am Post subject: Re: Beetle 1300cc (Historic Touring Car Racing) |
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| This is too cool, wish we have this in Norway. |
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hrsr
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Joined: June 21, 2010
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| henry roberts wrote: |
thanks for posting, I'm jelous again.  i cannot imagine how frustrating the dnf's must be getting. at least they aren't from ($$$) catastrophic failures.
your car is so good off the line. it is impressive watching it stick with the 911 and 924 through the corners. do the sports cars run the same tyres? btw damn those 2 black sports cars are quick, what are they? |
Fanbelts and throttle cables have been the story of my year...$2 parts!! This throttle cable I fitted 2 races ago (purely to stop any throttle cable problems!!)
Most of the cars out there were Roadsports Cars (Porsche 911, 924, MG's, Capri's) which run on road legal semi slicks, the rest of us had skinny historic crossplys. The fast black cars are Chevrons which sound and go like V8s but they are actually powered by 2 litre 4 cylinder engines from a 1965 BMW 2002 saloon car. |
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henry roberts
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Location: australia
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for posting, I'm jelous again. i cannot imagine how frustrating the dnf's must be getting. at least they aren't from ($$$) catastrophic failures.
your car is so good off the line. it is impressive watching it stick with the 911 and 924 through the corners. do the sports cars run the same tyres? btw damn those 2 black sports cars are quick, what are they? |
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hrsr
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Joined: June 21, 2010
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Thought i'd have a bit of fun and race some GT and sports cars for a change...
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AirCooledClassics
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Joined: August 20, 2004
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Location: Saskatoon, Sk Canada
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hrsr
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Joined: June 21, 2010
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:43 am Post subject: |
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New onboard footage from Brands Hatch. I had fanbelt issues which ended my race. The car spends its whole life between 6000 and 8000rpm so I may look at installing smaller pulleys in the future so the fan/alternator run at a sensible speed.
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hrsr
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:37 am Post subject: |
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This is really amazing! good job on the car and the racing 
But could you tell me if you are running a stock chankshaft or are you allowed to use a counterweight? |
Yes a counterweight crank is allowed...and needed as i'm shifting at 7500-8000rpm. The engine rules say you must use a magnesium case and VW heads, the engine can be enlarged (but only up to 1300cc) and you must use carbs. |
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Jens-Ole
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Location: Beyond Reason (Norway)
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:32 am Post subject: |
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This is really amazing! good job on the car and the racing
But could you tell me if you are running a stock chankshaft or are you allowed to use a counterweight? |
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hrsr
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Well here's the movie of the Oulton Park Gold Cup Historic Touring Car Race's 1 and 2...Didn't quite go to plan as the weather was rubbish and an oil line let go in race 2, but the car survived to fight another day. 
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hrsr
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| how does the amazon fare normally? my dirty little secret is I love them and have a 64 4 door... I wanted a 2 door but they are less common over here. |
This is the first time this Volvo's raced with us, so I'm not sure how quick it is. It's a 2 door and built to Appendix K rules (same as Appendix J or Group N in Australia) so only period tuning allowed (for example SU carbs not Webers) and it has to be the factory weight and use drum brakes.
Half the cars on the grid will be Appendix K and run in the K classes where as my Beetle runs in the HRSR classes which allow a lot more modifications.
Out of the 34 cars on the grid (on previous form) my Beetle should be quicker than 10 or 11 of them hopefully. |
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henry roberts
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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good luck and I hope you have an awesome time.
how does the amazon fare normally? my dirty little secret is I love them and have a 64 4 door... I wanted a 2 door but they are less common over here. |
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hrsr
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: |
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My next race is the Oulton Park Gold Cup on Monday 25th August.
I'll be on track three times, one qualifying session and two races. Its one of the greatest tracks in UK racing and there are 34 Historic Touring Cars entered....Its gonna be a goody, so keep a look out for the onboard movies coming soon after!
Entry list (pre 1966 Touring Cars):
Ford Mustangs (x2)
Ford Galaxie
Ford 'Lotus' Cortinas (x10)
Ford Anglias (x2)
Alfa Giulia Sprints (x3)
BMW 1800
Mini Coopers (x6)
Hillman Imps (x4)
Triumph 2000
Volvo 122 Amazon
Austin A40
Standard Vanguard
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hrsr
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Just come back from a double-header at Croft.
Race 1 (wet and long)
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Race 2 (dry and short)
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hrsr
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| henry roberts wrote: |
| I already have stock, 17 and 19mm sway bars, any suggestion as to which will be best suited to the skinny high profile tyres? |
Oooh...It's an impossible one to answer as every car and driver is different. The choice of sway bars and also shocks, depends on so many variables such as the weight of the car, the tires, the intended use (street or street with occasional track use) and then the driving style of the owner.
I fitted a camber compensator onto my stock (apart from a 2110cc motor) Splitscreen van and it completely transformed it. The van went instantly from being very nervous around corners to being totally planted, so I would recommend adding one of those ASAP.
If you want it to handle on the street, lower it (but not too much), fit a camber compensator on the rear then experiment with different sway bars until you find one you like (or even better, make an adjustable one)
Sorry I can't be more help.
Just come back from a race weekend, so new onboard movies are just days away.
Cheers!
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djway3474
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Location: The Real NDK So Cal
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| What a beautiful track. Looks like a BLAST! |
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henry roberts
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Location: australia
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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can i pick your brains for a moment?
front sway bar suggestion... 58 beetle daily driver, currently totally mechanically rebuilt (except the gearbox) to stock, bar, nanking 165's, empi white shocks and red bushes in the beam (as it came). a little further down the track (after a g'box rebuild) I intend to add a camber compensator, koni's and some light tweaking to the 36hp. eventually possibly mild lowering too.
I already have stock, 17 and 19mm sway bars, any suggestion as to which will be best suited to the skinny high profile tyres? |
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hrsr
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Hi Henry....2 or 3 NEW onboards should be up in a week or so.
I have EMPI 2.5" dropped spindles which would normally lower the front by (obviously) 2.5" but as my car has been extensively lightened the actual lowering effect is no more than 1".
The dropped spindles are very heavy and combined with disc brakes they widen the track a lot, but this is a good thing as a wider track reduces the lateral load transfer (so all four tyres share the load in a corner more evenly)
We originally had dropped spindles AND axle adjusters but found that we had to wind the adjusters up to the standard ride height, so when I damaged a beam in a crash we just put a stock one back on. The reason we used dropped spindles was that it retains the cars original suspension geometry. If you lower a torsion bar Beetle too much the front suspension arms end up pointing upwards so the suspension doesn't behave as it was designed to do.
Next year the car is taking a year off and being stripped down then rebuilt with lighter components (as it's still 50kg heavier than the Minis) and as the front ride height is now almost stock anyway, we may well bin the dropped spindles in favour of adjusters again.
At the rear the car has long axles with 8mm wheel spacers to widen the rear track as much as possible.
I'll take some pictures of the car soon and post them up.
Cheers! Ian |
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henry roberts
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I was hoping it would be a new one. I found this clip a few days ago... I love this car.
a few questions about your suspension.
what sort of dropped spindles are you running? I'm asking as you said it's only an inch lower than stock.
any particular reason you went with dropped spindles over adjusters (or cut ant turned if you can't run adjusters)? I'm asking as (from my zero experience) I would have thought the extra weight would have been a bad thing, does the increase in track width out weigh the negatives?
do you run long axles or short?
any chance we could get a photo walk around of the car?
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hrsr
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Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my latest race....Short and sweet.
Got balked by the Triumph 2500cc which allowed the pack to get away, then my Beetle threw it's alternator belt one lap into the race which wiped out the dipstick, spraying oil on the track...fun while it lasted.
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Alstrup
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| Slow 1200 wrote: |
| running a Quaife? have you considered using a ZF instead? 911 guys love the ZF lock-up on deceleration for late braking |
The gearbox company recommended the Quaife ATB diff and when I spoke to the other drivers they all said the same thing...The Hillman Imps and the Lotus Cortinas mostly use the same type of diff...Maybe it suits the tyres, I don't know.
When I raced without it the inside wheel would spin up and smoke out of every corner...The car is much more controllable and consistant now!! |
The Quaife is fine. Actually better than the ZF, in VW transmissions anyway.
WRT the suspension. When you have to run those tyres I see the point in having a relatively soft suspension.
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