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fullup12 Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2009 Posts: 36 Location: TX
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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I have a 63 bug that shows SD for body style on the title. There's a step by step how-to on another site that shows body style for a bug should be 2DR. Since you are from a small town like I am, I would call your local DMV office and ask them what to put on it. I'm about to go through that process for a pan I have and that's what I'm going to do. |
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AggieZig Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2013 Posts: 188 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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So I read through this and tired to understand as much of it as I could.
#1) This F*&$%#@ sucks. Why on earth would we need restrictive legislation on this subject.
#2) I just am getting finished with my own sand rail project. Unlike some, I was going to take the time to do it proper, register as a new built vehicle and insure as such. Does anyone know of any legal way in Texas to register my sand rail anymore?
If not... I'll be robbing my rail of parts and building a baja. This sucks. _________________ Zig, Aircooled Enthusiast
Current: Porsche 914 Resto | 1969 VW Beetle
Past: 74 Thing | Sand Rail | Baja Project | Oval Beetle |
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seabeebuggy Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2005 Posts: 2395 Location: NM, CA, UT and now NV
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Will they allow a regestered buggy from another state to get regestered in texas? _________________ Seabee turbo buggy build
(Quote Runslikeapenguin said)
so to everyone else whos not a retarded butt pirate marine with an tacky ugly ass car covered in auto zone bolt and stick on s**t. (end quote)
A better place to talk offroad |
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Scott88ag Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2013 Posts: 57 Location: DFW - Texas
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Not if it doesn't have a body... at least that's the way the new code reads.
Looks like they are trying to kill off rails as legal for street driving.
My registration runs out in October, so I guess I'll find out then if I need to be really pissed or not.
It looks like you CAN register a "new" fiberglass buggy, as long as you can prove where you got the chassis, body, and drivetrain. |
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bgs Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2005 Posts: 417 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Like a cancer, Cal's unwarranted and unwanted DMV
Vehicle reg nonsense for small individual project's,
is a disease that aims to make it almost impossible
for the special construct guys and gals to build
anything without some huge government intrusion
and costs. This has spread to many states now.
I feel for one of the last "free states", namely Tx.
You're slowly but surely becoming a Cal stepchild
due to said viperous Gov-DMV intrusion and that
is a flat shame ! _________________ Hmm, ruff. |
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Bob Elgin Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2012 Posts: 327 Location: Waco, TX
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Went to the DMV, handed them my papers(in Texas The green papers you get in the mail),had a nice conversation with the teller. walked out with the new registration. My point ? To Much Info can be bad. they didnt ask so i didn't spill my guts(new laws).
Brand new constructions of buggy with out a vw pan and vin #, you might be in have a lil prob.Just killem with kindness. _________________ OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER AND STILL TO YOUNG TO CARE!!!!!
My Build http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5987690#5987690
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0oexto0 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2014 Posts: 11 Location: South Bend, IN
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:24 am Post subject: |
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This isn't just Texas I'm in Indiana and when I went to plate my buggy just a couple weeks ago that I purchased I ran into this same "Federal Legislation" issue. My title called it a 1960 VW "AUTO"...the guy I bought it from in WI put the word "dune buggy" in the bill of sale (I didn't think much of it since the title was clear already).
Well, the lady at the BMV said "oh...so this is an off road vehicle?". I told her no, and she said unfortunately due to this new federal legislation she has to enter "dune buggy" into the record. I pleaded with her a bit explaining that this was NOT an off road vehicle. She informed the manager who told her "he can title it, but he can't plate it."
Needless to say I began to panic. So I pulled out my phone, showed her a picture of it.
After seeing this, she told me hold on and took my phone to show the manager, who took the phone to show her boss. Came back a few minutes later and told me "Based on this picture it clearly isn't an off road vehicle, and since the TITLE says AUTO, go ahead and give him plates". So I got lucky...
But yeah, Indiana now faces the same new scrutiny :/ |
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to break topic, but that is a cool looking buggy! _________________ Bad News Racing 2018 NORRA 1000 3rd in Class
Best Day Ever Racing 2022 NORRA 1000 2nd in Class and first All Female team to complete the race
Everyone is gifted. Some just do not open the package.
Looks like it was painted with a live chicken,polished with a brick and buffed with a pine cone |
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mpastre Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2009 Posts: 1 Location: Watauga TX
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject: Registering a sand/street rail |
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OK I'm new on here. I built a rail almost 5 years ago before my son was born. I had a title for a dune buggy and when I went to change it into my name dune buggy wasn't available so I titled it as a 2dr. I'm about to finish up another one and its built off a 68 bug title and will stamp the frame the same as last. I also live in Texas. I'm under the impression of the state if you make a new build and need a title it must meet today's laws. However if you already have a title for a rail, bug, buggy etc you should be able. However I'm not at a point to go yet. I have to finish it, take it to be inspected as a 68 bug then transfer title. Has anyone had any problems doing it this way? |
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cocopuffsman Samba Member
Joined: February 28, 2015 Posts: 76
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Bob Elgin Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2012 Posts: 327 Location: Waco, TX
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l8sho Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: Katy Texas
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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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coco - Perhaps my recent experience will help you. I've had my Sandhopper for a couple of years. Since it wasn't running I hadn't made an effort to get the title transferred. Its getting close to going back on the road, hopefully this Spring. So, a month ago, I realized I'd better get my paperwork cleaned up. Like yours, mine came from out of state. And like yours, it has a tube frame with a hand-stamped serial number.
I did my research online. I read all the posts here. And I still wasn't sure what to do and what to expect. I had a good, properly completed title, and a bill-of-sale from the previous owner in Virginia. All I wanted at this point was a clean title. The Sandhopper still isn't running, so I can't get it inspected or insured yet. Registration will come later, hopefully very soon.
So I gathered up my completed application for title (downloaded online), bill-of-sale, Virginia title, photos of the buggy, the speedometer, and the serial number, rubbings of the serial number, the manufacturer's brochure, a pocketful of cash (for the fees and sales tax), and my checkbook (just in case I didn't have enough cash). Took it all down to the Harris County Clerk's office in Houston and stood in line. The lady I spoke with was very pleasant and helpful - also thorough! She went through it all, talked to a colleague, then her supervisor. She came back to the window and said everything looked great. It was all good, except I needed a form 68A. I had never heard of it. But she said I could get it by taking the vehicle to the Houston Police Department auto theft division. They would have to inspect it and issue the 68A which I would have to bring back with all of the other paperwork. I would have to be at the address she gave me at 9AM any Monday morning for the inspection.
It didn't seem like such a big deal. Any police department should be able to help. Right? WRONG! I went straight to the local PD here in Katy and talked to a supervising officer there. He wasn't familiar with Form 68A. Took him twenty minutes to find it online and learn that he didn't have the authority to issue it. He wasn't even allowed to download a copy. So he started making some calls - DPS, Houston PD, Harris County Sherriff. Learned DPS used to perform the inspections and issue the form. But they don't do it anymore - budget cuts! Same was true of a couple of other PDs in the area. Turns out that there are only three agencies in the county that maintain Auto Theft Divisions that are authorized to issue a 68A. Harris County Sheriff does it at one location in Humble (about 60 miles one way), HPD (but only for Houston residents) and Missouri City (about 25 miles). Go figure. Harris County is the most populous in Texas and one of the most populous in the country, and almost no one is able to help with what seems like a relatively minor problem.
So, after several calls to the Missouri City PD, I was able to make an appointment with a detective in the burglary/auto theft division. Then I had to arrange for a rollback to haul the buggy to his office. We got there at the appointed time and the detective wasn't available. But the receptionist was just as sweet as she could be and rounded up a couple of other detectives. These guys were super nice, but they were also all business. One took my ID and all of my paperwork and disappeared. The other crawled over and under every inch of the buggy, making notes of every serial number and part number he could find. He asked a few questions. Then he too disappeared inside. It was pretty clear that what he was really looking for was anything that could be an illegal or stolen part. They both came back about half an hour later with all of my paperwork and the completed 68A. I say again, really nice guys, but I wouldn't want to cross them.
Two hours later, the Sandhopper was back in the garage and I was back in line at the County Clerk's office. Half an hour after that, I had my receipt for title application in hand and was on my way home, several hundred dollars lighter. The title arrived about 10 days later. By the way, its titled as a 1969 Sandhopper. The Virginia title said "Home Built".
I don't know what your paperwork looks like, but based on my experience, I'd try to play it as straight as possible. I wouldn't try to slide a phony serial number by them. I don't think it would be worth the risk. Try to do it right, keep your sense of humor, and be as courteous as you can with those folks who are just doing their jobs.
I didn't intend to write a novel, but I hope this helps. |
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cocopuffsman Samba Member
Joined: February 28, 2015 Posts: 76
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Bob Elgin Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2012 Posts: 327 Location: Waco, TX
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l8sho Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: Katy Texas
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Bob- Are you referring to the new "no annual inspection sticker" procedure that Texas has just implemented? I will still have to go through that inspection after I get it running unless I choose an exempted off road option (which is not my intention).
I've made some more calls and done some additional research and learned that the form VTR-68-A has nothing to do with out-of-state vehicles, but everything to do with that hand-stamped serial number. Its an "Application For Assigned Or Reassigned Number". I don't quite understand what criteria the PD uses to issue the 68-A, but obviously they decided mine was okay. I was steered to the TxDMV publication "Assembled And Rebuilt Vehicle Manual". Its online and has about everything Texas buggy owners need to know. I should have looked there first.
Bob, Keep us posted on your experiences with the DMV. I will provide any useful updates as well. There seems to be a lot of conflicting information and speculation on this thread. I personally want to know about the actual hands-on experiences that people have. |
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Bob Elgin Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2012 Posts: 327 Location: Waco, TX
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Bob Elgin Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2012 Posts: 327 Location: Waco, TX
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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step 1 is done. Inspection is done. All is good there. No sticker The sheet of paper gave me said it was a bettle, VW etc...
Also this is the link on the top of the page -> dpsdirect.portal.texas.gov/VICIinspect/VehicleinspectionComplete
it gives you a Authorizion code And take it to get the tags with that code.. The fact that he called it a beetle should help me with getting tags. Ill let everyone know when i get that done .
My insurance man knows what it is. No problem there _________________ OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER AND STILL TO YOUNG TO CARE!!!!!
My Build http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5987690#5987690
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cocopuffsman Samba Member
Joined: February 28, 2015 Posts: 76
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Bob Elgin wrote: |
step 1 is done. Inspection is done. All is good there. No sticker The sheet of paper gave me said it was a bettle, VW etc...
Also this is the link on the top of the page -> dpsdirect.portal.texas.gov/VICIinspect/VehicleinspectionComplete
it gives you a Authorizion code And take it to get the tags with that code.. The fact that he called it a beetle should help me with getting tags. Ill let everyone know when i get that done .
My insurance man knows what it is. No problem there |
i found that if you get vintage/antique or classic (not sure which one) you dont need to get an inspection... ever _________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5HSYpTKrUg
https://youtu.be/z5yDe0MKzYw
https://youtu.be/MpJoZYZNLLI
https://youtu.be/m8-rsKIvbos
https://youtu.be/bfYDA3-N0fg |
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Bob Elgin Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2012 Posts: 327 Location: Waco, TX
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MV8 Samba Member
Joined: April 25, 2010 Posts: 25
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:47 am Post subject: |
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At least you have the option Bob. I doubt anybody really cares or is checking to see how many miles you drive your property.
"Oh, I've been registered this way for 5 years, but I drove it too far last year, so now I must revert to normal registration? OK."
I'd jump all over that!
As for mso, it isn't complicated to become a mfg with the ability to issue your own mso, but it will cost a few hundred for the ability to do so, if the State requires all the security features suggested by AAMVA. The State determines how fancy the MSO document must be. |
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