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Iron Worker Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2013 Posts: 49 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: Budget? Euro-Styled Buggy |
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Hi my name is Earl and Ive been looking on here a while to get some ideas about what style build I wanted to do.I have 3 other friends who are also building buggys at the same time and were looking to be finished for next spring so we can all go driving together.One guy has an original Manx and is going Retro ,the 2nd is a mild custom ,and the third is a mid engine rotary powered rocket with a very innovative chassis, cage and suspension.So after I took a look at Nicks mid engine monster I decided I like its style but to much work for me so I came up with some ideas of my own and borrowed some of his.Im going to use a 13b mazda rotary tied to a 002 bus trans using an adapter I built from 3/4 aluminum plate copied off of a kennedy adapter.The adapter also doubles as a motor/trans mount.I started on june 20 and have done ok so far but will slow way down now because of work out of town,but when I get back will be fabricating the rear hubs/uprights and all the control arms,and inboard push rod style shocks.So take a look and give me some comments good bad or otherwise thanks Earl. |
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MURZI Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2005 Posts: 5063 Location: Madisonville, La
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Wicked!!!!!! _________________ 62 vert
2276
Tim’s welded heads
45 Dells
A1 sidewinder
Fk44 cam |
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CBDZ_CBDZ Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2007 Posts: 363 Location: Eastvale, CA
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Have you had a chance to mock in the seats? Just wondering if the downward 'V' of the wind screen frame will impair your vision.
Other than that, I think this is amazing. My next one will be more like this...in about 20 years. _________________ Tube Bender Rental in So. Cal.
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911GT2 Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2013 Posts: 180 Location: Nederland
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:19 am Post subject: |
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great setup! |
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coneman Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2010 Posts: 12 Location: Bowmanville, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:31 am Post subject: Very Awesome |
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I have been thinking of building another buggy (I built a Coyote bodied tube frame buggy back in the early eighties). I love the direction you are taking with this build. I'll be watching your progress with great interest. |
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4927 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Nice build so far, Earl - but you might consider changing the top cross tube at 'windshield' to a straight piece. In the untimely event of a rollover, the 'pre-bent' top bar makes me concerned that it could collapse.
bnc _________________ I never found the need to impress people with any mechanic certifications, trophies or track wins... unless it was for Mom to post on the refrigerator door. |
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Iron Worker Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2013 Posts: 49 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:49 am Post subject: Update |
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Just thought id show a Saturday update on the uprights I started, I will be working on finishing them on sunday and also starting on the a arms.Also some pics of the chassis without the body and cage. |
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karu Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2008 Posts: 229 Location: Cross Lanes, WV
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Really good looking welds and overall excellent work! If I build another buggy I want to do it exactly like what you do.
Are you using any particular software for suspension geometry? What kind of shock absorbers are you planning on using? |
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911GT2 Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2013 Posts: 180 Location: Nederland
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Your skills in welding and fabricating are amazing!
But you still need to work on your picture takings skills |
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Iron Worker Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2013 Posts: 49 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well heres sundays update not much but wanted to hang with my kids so only worked a couple hours on it. first I didn't use any computer programs for the suspension design for one I suck more on a computer than I do with a camera,and Ive built a few cars from ground up and have a little bit of a idea of what works . Will it be the optimum suspension design ,no but for what kind of driving I will do itll be fine.I ve done a about 30 years of ametur chassis building and built cars back in the early 80s before there were programs for design.Part of my biggest slow down so far was finding front wheels that I liked with enough backspacing(or offset for you euro guys)so I could get the scrub radius as small as possible and still have desent turning radius.And as far as the front bar of the cage goes I think it will be ok also as Ive used this design on a few rock buggys and my Polaris razors all of which have been rolled many times with no damage.I feel the weakest part of my design and most others is where the A pillar ties to the floor pan,as your tieing to a flat plane with no vertical bracing or nodes to triangulate anything.So that's it for tonight im going to see if my 12 year old son will post this for me cause I don't have a clue and it just toke me 20 minutes to type this thanks for the replys and keep them coming Earl. |
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gr8cobbler Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 916 Location: Midlife Crisis, Midwest
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Be really good to that 12 year old, hand him the camera an let him go crazy documenting and posting your build, I need to see more! Looks fantastic, I envy your skills and shop. _________________ Gary
Being a cheap old fart is just a front for my actual lack of money. |
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911GT2 Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2013 Posts: 180 Location: Nederland
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Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:00 am Post subject: |
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gr8cobbler wrote: |
Be really good to that 12 year old, hand him the camera an let him go crazy documenting and posting your build, I need to see more! Looks fantastic, I envy your skills and shop. |
Couldn't agree more! Keep (your son) posting! |
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Iron Worker Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2013 Posts: 49 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Just a qwik update I finished one side of the rear a arms Im happy how it looks so far so hopefully this weekend I can finish the other side and start on the inboard shocks and linkage.and in case any one is wondering why the bolts are so long its because I like to keep the shank of the bolt in the 'shear plane 'so these will be cut down after mock up and use nyloc nuts.
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9147 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: |
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STELLAR build. Love the chassis work. The only thing I wonder about is why you mounted the inner rod ends on the rear suspension on the horizontal plain instead of vertically??? It's going to severely limit your suspension movement. Other than that 2 thumbs and 2 big toes up!!!!!!
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Wetstuff Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2010 Posts: 700 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: |
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...me too Brad. The heim joints look crossed up to me?
But I couldn't have tacked this together like like Iron Worker has .. if I owned Lincoln Electric.
Jim _________________ Manx #2614 |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I noticed the same thing. How is that going to function correctly? _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK |
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Kreelak Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2011 Posts: 122 Location: Ridgefield Washington
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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loving this build It looks great |
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Iron Worker Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2013 Posts: 49 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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the heims in the horz position use misalignment bushings which allow much greater movement.I checked today and they are at about 13 degrees in both direction for a total of 26 degrees. I toke off the wheel and checked the travel at just over 8 inchs total which is about 4 inches more than I need.I commonly use this type setup because it allows the weld for your mounting bracket to be along the longitudal plane of the tube and not 90 degrees to the tube which causes a weakspot welding around half the tube vs with the direction of the tube.This is common practice with many road race cars.I will also be tack welding these bushings to the mounting tabs as Ive learned that when the chassis comes back from powdercoating it adds thickness to the tabs and the heims don't fit ,so this way I can just take a file and clean off the powdercoat from on top of the bushings for a perfect fit.If you goggle 'heim high misalignment bushings 'I would think you could find a picture of them.thanks Earl |
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Iron Worker Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2013 Posts: 49 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:03 pm Post subject: Sunday Update |
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Sunday update I got both sides of the a arms done and started on the upper shock mount and cut out the rocker arm.In the one shot im holding the linkage about how it will go.Well that's it for today thanks Earl. |
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4927 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ironworker:
Nice work thus far! Question: did you make your own threaded weld spuds or buy them? Source & size?
bryan _________________ I never found the need to impress people with any mechanic certifications, trophies or track wins... unless it was for Mom to post on the refrigerator door. |
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