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bpmail1
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 Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:33 am Post subject: T1 deeply rusted resto project |
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hi all, few month ago i started my resto project. I never did before, so i was "like a virgin" .... expecially in metal works and rust treatment...
I bought a mig welder, made some test and started work on the back side of my 1964 T1 panel.
Back side was orribly rusted on roof gutter joint all long right side, top member up on rear hatch was almost vanished, rear hatch hinges was bent and stratched..... so my T1 was a challanging resto project i suppose.
i took some picture before works started and some while works progress going on till now for a total of 3 month.
here you find some picture i uploaded:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=bpmail1&show_results=summary
here the link of photo album with hight resolution pic...
https://picasaweb.google.com/pbattia/RestoT1VWPanel1964?authuser=0&feat=directlink
(hope i set correct access permission, in case please inform me!,!!)
suggestion, comment critics are welcome! 
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T2 bay window bus 9place 1977 AS 1600 restore
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UNfXJPi0b7nj0fpj2
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T1 split panel 1964 turquoise - resto in progress
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8E6ZTL8Nmti421bI3
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my resto project thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566418&highlight=
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doublecabmel
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| Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:13 am Post subject: Another one saved |
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| Awesome job! I love watching these threads. She will be back on the road in no time! |
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bpmail1
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Another one saved |
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| doublecabmel wrote: |
| Awesome job! I love watching these threads. She will be back on the road in no time! |
hi!
thank you for your confidence.... i hope you are right i'm impatient to drive her..
i like resto thraed too thre is always something to learn and share.. that's why i open this one.
I hope to find someone that tell me what i could do better..
now i'm working to rebuild the frame where rear hatch hinges lies and to rebuild rotation point of hinges. i suppose to use brass tube ( internal diameter 8,1 external 9 mm) to fit inside of hinge's hole. the pin will be done using a 8 mm inox rod........ i have some model rc model parts and material that are fantastic fot this kind of job so i can rebuild with no play....
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T2 bay window bus 9place 1977 AS 1600 restore
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UNfXJPi0b7nj0fpj2
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T1 split panel 1964 turquoise - resto in progress
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8E6ZTL8Nmti421bI3
Click to view image
my resto project thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566418&highlight= |
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bpmail1
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Clara 
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:34 am Post subject: Re: T1 deeply rusted resto project |
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Nice garage door. fully insulated?
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hi all, few month ago i started my resto project. I never did before, so i was "like a virgin" .... expecially in metal works and rust treatment...
I bought a mig welder, made some test and started work on the back side of my 1964 T1 panel.
Back side was orribly rusted on roof gutter joint all long right side, top member up on rear hatch was almost vanished, rear hatch hinges was bent and stratched..... so my T1 was a challanging resto project i suppose.
i took some picture before works started and some while works progress going on till now for a total of 3 month.
here you find some picture i uploaded:
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bpmail1
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VW JIM II
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| Absolutely unbelievable and I thought my truck was bad. I am so stoked,need to get back to work now. |
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VW JIM II
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| Absolutely unbelievable and I thought my truck was bad. I am so stoked,need to get back to work now. Every time I thick of giving up, I see something like this. Very inspiring, thank you. |
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Andy P
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Wow, that IS a project. We all forget how fortunate we are living in countries where Splits were made or imported en masse. Keep those pics coming, eh? 
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Slow Steve
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HUGE! project. Please keep us posted on progress
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100 years from now when they have reverse atom regeneration attractor technology perfected and in a hand held back yard mechanic's price range, someone will dig up this thread and go, "What were those guys thinking? The whole thing was all there just waiting to be re-atomized. Funny how easily they cut them up back then."
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bpmail1
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:12 pm Post subject: acids... |
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i'll do my best to keep up to date my progress, i added some photo on picasa album https://picasaweb.google.com/pbattia/RestoT1VWPanel1964
after roof priming (epoxy zinc primer) and cargo panel removal.
in the photo below
i show how i used acids (HCL Hydroclordric acid or Muriatic Acid 5% and Phosphoric Acid 30%) to fight RUST!!! 
just my experience.. maybe can be useful to someone else.
the panel was depply rusted, so after the first grinding (using drill with 40 grit disk) i applied for 2 days HCL 5%. I used 1/2 lt sprying and brushing it many times in order to not let it dry .... of course i did and left unattended for 1hour or so and then did again and again...
It's not an hard job just wear gloves and glasses obviously and work in open/ventilated area
At every time you brush and spray fresh HCL acid you will see how rust is getting consumed and bare metal will appear below.
at the end of afternoon i rinced with water and some soap and dryied immediatly.
In 10-15 minutes you will se your panel covered by a new thin red/brown film, just new superficial oxydation, nothing to worry too much.
At this point where some rust is still present is really thin so you can apply Phosphoric Acid (the base of most branded converter).
In a couple of hour it will convert your rust (max thikness 0,5 mm) into a black and stable material that can be directly painted or removed (better in my opinion where and if possible).
Of course best is give a wash before priming or removing.
HCL in concentration till 10-15% do not react with bare metal or if it does it'is very very slow and do not compromise your panel. It's important to wash it and neutralize (soap) HCL.
Phosphoric acid does not need neutralization because on bare metal as any effect... you can leave it till when you don't have to paint.
aloa
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T2 bay window bus 9place 1977 AS 1600 restore
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UNfXJPi0b7nj0fpj2
Click to view image
T1 split panel 1964 turquoise - resto in progress
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8E6ZTL8Nmti421bI3
Click to view image
my resto project thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566418&highlight= |
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Posty
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Great work dude. You are a brave man. I like the way you are dealing with the gutters as it is a job i still have to do on my panel. It's watching restorations online that motivates us all to try and get on with the job ourselves. So thanks for posting.
She is bad but she will rise again, i wish you good luck and keep posting those updates.
Feel free to check out my panel. It will cheer you up I promise 
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=277674&highlight=
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bpmail1
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maggiolino968
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Complimenti!
Ho vissuto un incubo simile pure io in questi anni e ne sto uscendo.
Compliments.
I lived a thrilling period i too in the last 6 years and i'm jus going out...
T1 and rust are the best couple in the history of cars... |
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I can see why you bought it.
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I'm loving the fact its hemmed in by 2 very fancy Mercedes & yet seems to hold the place of honour..... 
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Andy P
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| I'm loving the fact its hemmed in by 2 very fancy Mercedes & yet seems to hold the place of honour..... |
... yes she is in good company in my garage and there is still missing my sage green '77 T2 bus. SHe is since 9 month into my painter's workshop.. i did the unforgivable mistake to tell him "....i'm not in hurry".. |
Ahhhh, been there, done that, got grey hairs where I'm not bald..... 
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bpmail1
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:04 pm Post subject: full ventilation ... |
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this week-end many progress... B pillar cutted away and prepared his replacement..... and ...... at the end...
full ventilation opened!!!!! 
So, front valence to be replaced as waited but most important any surprising bad news from A pillars... has to be patched but can be saved from lower hinges down....
now i have to start to look for a left front door .. mine is bad, not so much rusty but deeply dented and hinges are gone.. they was badly welded on door side and are difficoult to repair...
i up-dated on picasa album many photo for who is intrested in.
aloa
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T2 bay window bus 9place 1977 AS 1600 restore
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UNfXJPi0b7nj0fpj2
Click to view image
T1 split panel 1964 turquoise - resto in progress
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8E6ZTL8Nmti421bI3
Click to view image
my resto project thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566418&highlight= |
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