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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Quote ; bobnotch..." That black iron pipe looks awful heavy "
Great minds thinking alike...the weight of "phase one " rejected it from consideration . I am afraid that too much weight bouncing around on the two screws in the bottom of the block would eventually cause it to break off .
I will be looking for a "sweat" copper setup that can be threaded into the existing pipe ( I don't do " braze " ) . I will put in a bracket that comes out with the engine .
[ p.s. ] We didn't get the Detroit job . I won't be in your neighborhood to drop by _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9603 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what the yellow and black rubber caps are for |
The plugs close off the air outlets in the fan housing which blow air into the heater boxes (HB). People sometimes put them on when going to an aftermarket exhaust to prevent losing the forced fan air to the outside. If you are keeping the HB instead of going with J-tubes, you MUST adapt some hoses to blow into the HB! The forced fan air blowing into the HB cools them down even if you have your heater knob off. Remember that the HB metal shells trap the hot air from the exhaust. The hot air will not leave the HB fast enough if you don't have this constant forced cool air blowing into the HB shells via the hoses. If you drive any length of time on the highway without the hoses into the HB, the exhaust heat will stay in the HB shells and can cause the heads (and the oil inside the pushrod tubes directly above the HB) to get too hot. I speak from experience on my Fastback...
BTW the Type 3s had cooling air coming to the fan intake by routing through the inner parts of the rear APRON (part of the body; can also be referred to as the tail panel), not the rear bumper.
You're doing mighty fine constructive work on your type6! |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Rome ; GREAT info !!! I would have driven around oblivious to a problem that I can now correct.
..Florida life doesn't require heated cars ............................... I will be replacing the muffler / exhaust anyway and can go with J tubes with heat deflectors .
Thanks _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22358 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Rome wrote: |
BTW the Type 3s had cooling air coming to the fan intake by routing through the inner parts of the rear APRON (part of the body; can also be referred to as the tail panel), not the rear bumper. |
He already knows this Roland, but he's already limited in rear of the vehicle to engine space (had he known this before, he would have made the rear of the SD longer). This is why he's looking at drawing air thru the modified bumper, and possibly adding a box below the bumper to get enough air into the engine. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Anybody out there in the Minneapolis / St. paul area ?
Please pm me ; I need some local info .
Bobnothch ; I think a 6 inch high lower channel will be fine under the original bumper....................good idea _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12688 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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I see I'm a little late to the party- have you considered using the bus air scoops as cooling air inlets for the engine? If they can satisfy a 2L bus they should be able to satisfy your engine? _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12688 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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grandpa pete wrote: |
asaib3 ; type 3 engines bring in cooling air from the BACK CENTER...... |
So does the T4 engine that the scoops came from _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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This might give you an idea what I came up against
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The challenge was getting enough fresh air into the type 3 engine..
.Type 3's pull air in from the back of the engine and blow it forward over the engine
What I have done is cut a hole in the rear metal so the fan can pull air in .
The original type 3 boot fit between the engine and the rear sheet metal ; the air is being pulled in from the sides THROUGH the rear bumper that has been modified . I cut the ends off the bumper and reduced the size of the bumper brackets to allow maximum air flow .
I am currently looking for a second rear bumper or equivalent channel to add to the back ; that is why the hole cutout can be seen under the bumper
it's been a challenge ; but that's why I do this stuff _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1423 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I have been watching this rear build and I was wondering what if you lower the bumper and then have your air intake/bumper combo? I think you could tweak the bumper brackets and get enough air in to cool. It looks like you have the bumper right against the body, add a little scoop to the 1/4 panel. |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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what you missed is the ends have been cut off the original type 3 bumper to allow more air to flow AND the bumper brackets were re-engineered to allow more air flow too..
remember the rear bumper is NOT bolted into place in the above pictures
.the bumper will stay where it is and a 6inch license plate holder / air duct will be added under it . The combined new ducting will allow more airflow than the original type3 ducting did...stay tuned _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
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jjohnson67 Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2012 Posts: 335 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Damn drunk post... make it go![/quote] |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:43 am Post subject: |
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jjohnson67 wrote: |
Damn drunk post... make it go! |
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I'm not shure what you mean ; but the " one year build thread " still has 3 months left on the schedule .
I am always torn between "hurry and finish " and " what will I do when it is done "
An other dilemma is ; more work this year than any in the 17 years I have been doing this...good news ; bad news , money to play Volkswagens , not as much time in the garage .
.It's really difficult to get a lot done when your sitting in a hotel 1605 miles away from home......My exciting 4th of July plans include walking around in the Mall of America with two other guys who would rather be home ... _________________ 63 two fold rag
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1423 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:00 am Post subject: |
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I think I could suggest something here, finish for you, drive the tires off it. My other thought is start another, but not sure if that is good. I think the project looks on schedule, might be a little over if you "keep working" Keep it up & enjoy the walk. |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:31 am Post subject: |
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eyetzr wrote: |
GP , we are after all VW people. You are obviously travelling on somebody else s dime. Sheesh Hilton, what ever happened to Motel 6 parking lot. |
This trip Hyatt Suites
last night ; Salmon for dinner $45
How many people do you know who enjoy what they do for work ?
Realistic schedule : The first big Civil War Re-enactment of the season is the second weekend in January . I would like to camp in the type6 that weekend .
we were setting up decorations at the meeting and one of the companies had a 72 inch high def tv/monitor hooked up to a computer.....the guy let me go on samba....I was looking at mkriglets 67 bagged custom restoration wiring photos ....WOW!!! ....I could read the relays and tell the one wire that isn't on all the way......some of this high tech stuff is cool.....I tried to get the AV guys to show it on the 20 foot high x 80 foot long rear projection main screene but they weren't as friendly _________________ 63 two fold rag
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lawn ninja Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2006 Posts: 1009 Location: Round Rock, TX
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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The rear bumper is way too high. _________________ Jason
My 64 1500 S Notchback project here
My 58 sedan project here
My 63 Ghia here |
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jjohnson67 Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2012 Posts: 335 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Always clicking on yout build waiting 4 a video of u driving it... had about 6 too many beers. I |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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lawn ninja wrote: |
The rear bumper is way too high. |
it's not a rear bumper . I it"s an air duct for a type 6
The height was determined by the spacing I have to get air into the type 3 engine
jjohnson67....keep clicking.....too much work ...too little time _________________ 63 two fold rag
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jjohnson67 Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2012 Posts: 335 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Like all mine.. . I understand! Vws? Or pay bills.. they don't pay themselves! |
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truckswede Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2014 Posts: 9 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:36 am Post subject: |
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You're doing just fine with your build Pete, i enjoy seeing your "struggles". This is another grandpa watching from Sweden, Europe.
Carry on, sir. |
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