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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now I'm going to use the 901 trans from the 914. A member on another forum can help me set it up to work with a rear engine.


How straight of a swap is that?

This is more of a general T4 Swap question but, what are the transmission options when putting a T4 engine into a T1 (specifically KG)?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hay Black n Black, well the beauty of the Engine swap is you can use a stock T-1 tranny. My manual explains exactly what to do, but here it is in a nutshell.

You can use a special Kennedy Engeering Adaptor tranny big bucks or a a stock VW bus flywheel and clutch. DONE.
It bolts up. The beauty of that is much more gripping power. Those flywheels are 200 210 215mm and bigger, for bigger you may have to grind the bell housing to make it fit. I have a 210 with bus clutch and disc. Much larger then a T-1 for surface are due to it needs the gripping area for a monster bus.
The beauty is if you want some trick discs there are a zillion T-1 discs that will fit.

Back to the tranny do a Freeway Flyer with a tall top gear. The RMPS go from 3000 at 60 to 3000 at 70 much quieter and great for cruising at 75 all day. Oh I do recommend a tranny strap to keep the tranny from twisting from the added torque of the T-4. No need for a rear hanger seeing the T-4 in upright configuration only weights 25 lbs more then a T-1.

You cannot use a 914 flywheel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not trying to discourage Joes info at all. I planed to go that route, but my parts 914 had a side shift trans, and I met a gentleman not too far from me who rebuilds them and can help me prep it to go in the rear mounted engine positon. Its not bolt in, youll have to modift the shift rod, and the tunnel. Im doing to because I have most of the parts required to do it and my car is just a shell.

http://www.aircooled.net/vw-transmission-porsche-5-speed-conversion/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony not a problem the 901 is a great tranny, sure if you can use it great and it is a 5 speed, it was the Tail and side shifter issues. If he can mod it to work like a T-1 fine, the tail and side had history of mush shifting. I had both so I know, but the tranny it self bulletproof.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a Great link on UTUBE from Jake Raby.


Showing the T-4 build up and install info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-CFTzvws4A
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Link



Complete rebuild.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the links Joe! I'll be taking notes from them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I put a dog house on a fan shroud that didn't originally have one?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect it wouldn't have the vanes and baffles inside the shroud in a configuration that would send air where it needs to go.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony well I recommend the 36 hp with a Dog house and in the manual explain how to extend the dog house to fit a T-4 cooler, which I do not recommend the extra work doing. I have found the stock T-1 cooler does the job seeing the T-4 engine in a T-1 car runs real cool. The T-4 cooler is not really needed unless you go Hi Pro and want that extra bit of cooling.

OK as for your question, Mfitz I think is right, VW took years to change over to a Dog house, that change may have vanes in different locations, or more or less of them. Also the cooler needs the offset adapter which moves it into the doghouse. That adapter was also part of their airflow plan. We can screw around all we want, but when it comes to a monster company like VW when they make a change it can effect Millions of dollars, they have to get it right..

Either get a Stock T-1 later Doghouse fanhousing Chop off the sides to fit the carbs or just get a good T-1 36 hp fanhousing with dog house like the Scat unit.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone contacted me and said they had a shroud with flaps, at a good price so hopefully that goes through. I feel like I should use the t4 cooler because of the turbo. I really don't like the idea of using an extra cooler. The more lines and fittings the more leaks.

I got a non engine related question. I want to have rear discs, and figure a bolt in kit would be the easiest for me. I'm thinking the Chevy 5 x 4.75 bolt pattern is what I want to go with so the wheel options will be greater. My question is, if I go with a kit like this,

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC-C10-4126-KT

Are the rotors something I can get from a local parts store, or do I have to go back to them? I know I have to get their pads.

I could run wildwood calipers and rotors, but I feel like they would be way overkill and I would loose the parking brake.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony when I built my first T-4 I did not know what to expect. I spent $400 on a external oil cooler, sandwich plate oil filter adapter with built in thermostat.
and Earl braided hoses. Never got to use them, the car ran to cold, had to run a 90c thermostat in place of the 80c for warm up. IF you want to run the T-4 cooler fine, maybe with the turbo you may need it.
Do yourself a favor ask some of the guys at the T-4 forum they have done with a turbo. Why waste time and money.

I agree I hate external coolers all the extra lines and like you said more chance of a leak.

BTY all those hoses and cooler, years later I sold it at a swap meet for 50 bucks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do see a lot of those guys with turbos running external coolers, but that would be a last resort.

I think these wheels in a 15x7 front and a 15x7 or 15x8 in the rear would look good.

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How much room is there in the wheel well of these cars? I see a lot of people going to a 5.5" wide wheel, I'm hoping I can at least tuck a 6" wide wheel in the front but Id prefer a 7. I plan to do flares in the front and rear. Will the rear disc conversion push them out further? Can I run the earlier "narrow axles" to run a wider wheel? I figure if I get the same back spacing a stock wheel it should clear on the inside and I wont loose any of the turning radius.

I figure the best thing to do it get the wheels and see how the fit. Seems like you can do a lot with the suspensions on these cars as far as narrowed beams and axles.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony this should be another post about tires and rims,, so more guy can see it not about the T-4 --
But, you have to be very careful when changing tires.

I before I dropped my front end I had problems with stock height and 195 65 15 tires 5.5" rims on my bug. When I made turns and one more person was in the car it rubbed my fenders.

When I put dropped front spindles on it I had to go to wider fenders,
Then I was able to go even lower with low profile 195-50 15 and no rub.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tony this should be another post about tires and rims,, so more guy can see it not about the T-4 --
But, you have to be very careful when changing tires.

I before I dropped my front end I had problems with stock height and 195 65 15 tires 5.5" rims on my bug. When I made turns and one more person was in the car it rubbed my fenders.

When I put dropped front spindles on it I had to go to wider fenders,
Then I was able to go even lower with low profile 195-50 15 and no rub.


You'll find a huge amount of information on wheel/tyre combinations for the Ghia in these sticky topics: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=433753
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive read through that thread, your right John there's a ton of good info on there. Seems like most people run the same dimension wheels, 15 x 4.5-5.5. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that at all, just not what I want. I'm sure 99.9% of the people on this forum don't like the wheels I want to run lol.

I haven't searched the subject yet, but do people narrow their beams themselves? I understand its not something that you cant just butcher up and slap together. I just though maybe I could cut it down to the exact width I need.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony I would not attempt cutting a beam myself. The steering etc depends on exact perfect cuts and refitting . If you want a narrow beam, buy one. Play it safe and in the long run same money.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats all I needed to hear lol.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you ever take a front end beam apart and pull the torsion bars out.

I have done a few and getting it back together with the torsion bars in the right place and then getting the arms locked in place. Not fun, and you want to cut the beam yourself. Some guys have more then others but is it worth it.

Another thing to the mix even buying a beam, make sure you are getting a quality piece. Aftermarket parts are crap.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waiting to get some photos of a Guy in South Africa with a Ghia Coupe with a T-4 using a T-1 fanhousing but he has the oil cooler in the T-4 pancake stock location. The things that prevented me from doing that was getting the air to the stock cooler and the area the ducting would take up. It is pretty cramped up in that area as it is.
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