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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:52 am    Post subject: Service Bulletin Help Reply with quote

Hey guys, I need some help rather quickly. I got a sandrail for free in rough shape, I fixed it up and put in a 1600 that i bought out of my buddys 1970 beetle. i took it to get a vin and to get registered yesterday and the police impounded my car because the engine only has the vw circle and one letter for the engine vin. They are claiming someone ground off the engine numbers but there are no grind marks. I found the information that replacement blocks didnt come with a full vin and a service bulletin form 5-73 explains it. I need this service bulletin to get my car and engine back. Any help would be great
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here Ya Go!!

A LOT of people did not stamp in the numbers. too lazy, no stamps. whatever.
As far as milling off the old number? VW rebuild programs did just that when they rebuilt engines, they milled out a recessed oval below the generator mount where the engine number is.

Hope it helps,,,,, your local authorities sound like really sweet people! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fascinating read......... Well if you like old VW engine history!

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=270462&highlight=rebuilt+symbol

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys hopfully i can get my engine back. they said i can remove the engine and take my car but they will keep the engine untill i can prove its not stolen. I think they need to prove it is stolen before stealing my fn engine. they said if i cant prove it they will crush it Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What part of AZ are you in. You do not need an engine to get it registered, or at least I do not think so. Sounds like the guy wants the motor.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it was at the casagrande mvd. it is some bs, my other sandrail was registered in 2011 and it has no visible vin on the engine because its painted over.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since when do they check the engine #?
I have never had that happen, although I have never tried to do an off-road vehicle that I guess has no VIN #?

My '63 Bus only has the VW recycle symbol and an H as described above - no actual engine #.
It is a dealer replacement engine. (I have no proof of that though - just VW knowledge)
This Bus was fully inspected in person when I brought it from WA.
They never looked at the engine.

I'd try another MVD, if that is possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that you need some officer badge numbers, contact their superiors and let them know what is going on.

Tell them That VW did indeed sell replacement engines without a serial number stamped on them! And that you have documentation to prove they did.

Sorry for your trouble but you need to invest some time and make some serious noise!

Little people with big power are the worst!

It sounds like your engine is now stolen!

DMV and engine numbers? That's a early 1900's thing when cars were registered by the engine number. That practice fell out of common use a half century or more ago.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea trust me im going to get this engine back. im going to do everything i can, i feel like i had my car stolen by the cops. I would try a different mvd but the cars in jail.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bajajon wrote:
Yea trust me im going to get this engine back. im going to do everything i can, i feel like i had my car stolen by the cops. I would try a different mvd but the cars in jail.


And probably racking up impound fees! Check on it!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well we get to go down and look at the engine today with the detective. Hopefully it turns out well.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do post the results of the issue!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So i went and saw the car with detective and presented the service bulletin and got the car and engine back the next day. Thanks for the help!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes the cops are just as bad as the criminals. Sad.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you've gotten it back and sorted out.

I remember discussing it with you at the Pavilions a couple weeks ago. Still can't really believe that situation happened. But it's not surprising and actually real good that they did or do check engine numbers. That's good news for anyone that has had an engine stolen. I'm sure that they have a long list of stolen engine and vehicle VIN numbers.

Like Everett said it might have more to do with it being a rail or an off roader. And being down in Casa Grande might also be a different situation than here in the Valley. Different county and different registration and licensing requirements.

So since you went to get a vehicle vin # then it wouldn't have had any sort of identification number anywhere on it except maybe on whatever trans it has. Depending on what year you are trying to get it registered as then up here it would have to pass emissions if it's a '67 or later.
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