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pm.rydahl Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:28 am Post subject: Installing new headliner |
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Hi, I'm about to mounting a new headliner in my 69 baywindow. But I haven't got a clue how it should be done, I have searched on internet for some good How-to guide, but without result.
So now I hope that someone here on Thesamba knows any good link, or can give me good advise.
I'm also going to glue the vinyl around the windows, but I thought that those pieces were precutted, but I just got a piece of white vinyl, and I have to do all the cutting and fitting on my own.
Should I do the parts around the windows first? And how much vinyl should it be above the windows?
I would be greatful for all answers, pictures, links that can help me
/The Duke |
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Can't advise on install but make sure any glue used don't have ACETONE in the mix, it will soften the material(a type of plastic) and will come loose. |
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VDubTech Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2002 Posts: 9142 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:14 am Post subject: |
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The headliner should be installed by a professional. One minor error and the whole thing looks like shit. Whatever it costs to have it installed professionally will be money well spent. _________________ First Trip in the RustyBus:
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One photo = good for reference.
10 photos = douchebaggery |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:41 am Post subject: |
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i have some pre-removal photo's of my headliner for my 70. i will need to dig them up and upload them.
the biggest thing with headliner installation is time. it's not a race, so plan on a couple of 8-10 hour days to do it right.
i will upload some photo's in a bit _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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jakokombi Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 776 Location: Milwaukee
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Do a search here. Most find it almost impossible to do a professional looking job and report that $1k+ is money well spent on a pro. _________________ 70 Sunroof Kombi
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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pm.rydahl Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:13 am Post subject: |
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With help from a friend we managed to install the headliner in about 8 hours, actually it wasn´t that hard.
It wasn´t easy, but not as difficult as I thought it would be.
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Looks great! So I guess you don't need the photos? I uploaded them, just didn't post them
Any tips or tricks you can share for future members doing a search? I promise to upload the photos I have tonight.. _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16922 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:19 am Post subject: |
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I haven't done one myself but my partner did on a 1978 bus we bought and flipped. He's a real perfectionist and a smart guy. Afterwards he said next time he'd gladly pay $1000 for a professional installation.
didn't come out all that great did it? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
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tootype2crazy Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2007 Posts: 1276 Location: St. Louis Missouri
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Your partner needs to use a heat gun to smooth out the wrinkles. We have an old deaf guy that does ours for our shop and he could do a bus headliner in 3-4 hours by himself assuming the windows were already out. He always uses a heat gun for the final step. He makes putting on a headliner look like putting on a sock. It's awesome to see a true professional at work. I have studied him carefully while he is working and think I could reproduce his results to a degree. I am still on the fence whether I want to do it myself or have him do it. He did offer me a really good price, but then I love doing everything myself on my bus. Just not sure. _________________ air-cooled or nothing for me
1978 Sunroof Deluxe Bus (daily driver)
1978 Transporter (mom's, making into a camper)
1970 Single Cab 2.1 turbo/EFI 6 Rib, 78 front beam, vanagon backing plates on rear (project)
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:35 am Post subject: |
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a very professional 40+ years in auto upholstery shop did mine in 2008. It took two technicians who had done them before 2 1/2 days to finish it right. You also have to worry about getting the right amount of overlap at the windows or it will pull out over time OR worse, cause rust by allowing a seal to leak. Dan of Dan's Vans did his after talking with my guy and from what he said, it is a real PITA. |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16922 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:39 am Post subject: |
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tootype2crazy wrote: |
Your partner needs to use a heat gun to smooth out the wrinkles. We have an old deaf guy that does ours for our shop and he could do a bus headliner in 3-4 hours by himself assuming the windows were already out. He always uses a heat gun for the final step. He makes putting on a headliner look like putting on a sock. It's awesome to see a true professional at work. I have studied him carefully while he is working and think I could reproduce his results to a degree. I am still on the fence whether I want to do it myself or have him do it. He did offer me a really good price, but then I love doing everything myself on my bus. Just not sure. |
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Oh, he did use a heat gun BTW. After you get yours done in 3-4 hours please come back here and post up the finished pictures for us. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:57 am Post subject: |
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pm.rydahl wrote: |
With help from a friend we managed to install the headliner in about 8 hours, actually it wasn´t that hard.
It wasn´t easy, but not as difficult as I thought it would be.
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That looks pretty damn good for a first go by a couple of noobs, nice work boys!
As others have mentioned it takes years of experience (AKA mistakes) to learn how vinyl stretches and behaves, maybe you got a case of beginners luck? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Please don't PM technical questions, ask your problem in public so everyone can play along. If you think it's too stupid post it here
Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery!
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tootype2crazy Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2007 Posts: 1276 Location: St. Louis Missouri
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:07 am Post subject: |
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aeromech wrote: |
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Oh, he did use a heat gun BTW. After you get yours done in 3-4 hours please come back here and post up the finished pictures for us. |
There's no way I could do it as quick as him, I was just noting how quickly a highly experienced pro can do it. He does our convertible tops too some of which require hand sewing. He has one of those skills that is a joy to watch in action. _________________ air-cooled or nothing for me
1978 Sunroof Deluxe Bus (daily driver)
1978 Transporter (mom's, making into a camper)
1970 Single Cab 2.1 turbo/EFI 6 Rib, 78 front beam, vanagon backing plates on rear (project)
2001 GTI VR6 (wife's) |
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:12 am Post subject: |
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I believe you. There's a crusty old guy who runs an upholstery shop by himself in my town. His hand shake was painful but his seams, repairs and overall workmanship are a delight. He was a day ahead of schedule on our drop-off, even with a large workload.
These people exist, they just need willing apprentices. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:40 am Post subject: |
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These people exist, they just need willing apprentices. |
good luck with that. |
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Amskeptic Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2002 Posts: 8568 Location: All Across The Country
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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SGKent wrote: |
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These people exist, they just need willing apprentices. |
good luck with that. |
I am going to need a little myself . . .
My 1970 bus had a perfectly fine oem headliner that was just getting a little dingy and had two small tears:
But after driving around with a perfect factory white headliner in the '78 bus, I just could not tolerate the, the, the dinginess. So I went all past the point of no return . . .
I am going to have to be so careful. I love the factory headliners, and I must do my best to replicate with absolutely no prior experience.
Measured the exit points for the bows from the center so I can cut the new support loops exactly the same. This looks critical for a consistent vault:
Straightening the bows to all the same radii looks to be critical too. The inexplicable variations in the installed original headliner came from the bent # 3 and #6 bows. Did shrinkage over the past 46 years do that?:
Re-secured the original ceiling padding today:
If I pull this off, I will do an excruciatingly detailed blow by blow write-up with photographs. If it looks like hell, I will sell the bus and go get a job as a tax-preparer mascot waving at people from the safety of my stupid statue of liberty suit, because I will be too humiliated to ever show my face again.
Colin _________________ www.itinerant-air-cooled.com |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16922 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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You're gunna do it with the windows installed? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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Xevin Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 7599
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, so you have until April. Good luck |
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3296 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I install head liners in my westys all the tme and they come out great---------well they are all wood I did a head liner in my FB one time will never do it again. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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