Black Fastback Build Thread

[supersuk]

You should try lay down a nice thick coat of hi-build before you leave. The epoxy isn't very fun to sand.

I wish I could've primed my car all at one time like yours, but the humidity here prevents that. I had to do sections at a time like Bob does. Makes it so much easier and you waste a lot less paint!

Looking good and moving fast!
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[Clatter]

I was going to try and angle for some high-build...
But,
Most of that stuff goes on places that are pretty flat, and would be easy to sand.
I would love to have some down, though, and save some scuffing the primer...
But,
Alas,
It's time for some family attention now.
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[suruba]

[Clatter]

I picked up some more activator for that epoxy and the seam-seal gun, too...

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[Bobnotch]

[Clatter]

It's my understanding that epoxy or paint just need scuffed with some 320 or 400 to give some tooth, right?
It doesn't need sanded down, or smooth or anything, right?
Just a quick once-over...

Primer filler, a.k.a "High Build" gets sanded down a lot...
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[MonT3]

That's awesome and glad you thought of tilting that shell around to get as much of that as you can. That was a lot coming out the air flow area. Doing awesome man!
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64 Squareback
63 Squareback
Engine rebuild
Trailer rebuild

[Brent]

[Bobnotch]

[eyetzr]

X2 what bobnotch says. I would add a guide coat of black paint to aid in the sanding process. Looks great, I can really appreciate the work you & your crew have invested, I have been there & done that before.

[supersuk]

I basically do exactly what Bob does since we both use PPG products. I'm not sure how different the DuPont stuff is, but the P-sheets should tell you exactly what you need to know. Epoxy is def not very fun to sand...I'd avoid sanding epoxy if you can.

Whenever I did have to sand epoxy, I used 180 grit and the hard to reach places, I used a red scuff pad. Then I recoated it with epoxy and layed down several coats of highbuild over that after about an hour which is what needs to be done for PPG products. All of my panels except for the passenger door is ready to be blocked.

Epoxy coatings generally do a mechanical bond to the lower substrate and a chemical bond to whatever is above it. Just remember that when laying down the next coat of paint when out of the tie period.

Have fun on your vacay!! If you're coming to Hawaii message me and lets meet up!
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68 Fastback Build: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5396323#5396323

[Bobnotch]

[eyetzr]

I think that Clatter has learned a bunch from this & continues to learn as he goes. Yes sanding epoxy sucks large, sand exposed areas & recoat & then high build. In the past I have sprayed epoxy & top coated with paint (usually left overs) It is easier to sand. Then go over the whole job to see if it is flat & you did not miss any spots, sand & top coat with high build. This works well in jobs like the turtle pose the fasty is in now. Keep up the great work & have a nice vacay. Cheers

[Clatter]

After spending the last few days in the car,
And of course thinking about this stuff constantly...

Bob had me scared that I might have gone down the wrong path or something.
So I loaded up the TDS and read it again for the umpteenth time.

This is not the water-based enviro stuff they sell inland.
For some reason, closer to the ocean has cleaner air, so it's OK to pollute it with nasty chemicals!

This stuff is both for use as an 'etch prime' on bare metal,
but also as a sealer over high-build.
It doesn't need an induction time.
Under fillers, over fillers, under/over primers...

There are a couple of the best shops here in town that swear by the DuPont products,
And I believe them when they say the stuff is good.

Plus, the guys who sell it are right down the street, super helpful, willing to answer all of my questions, and cut me a deal.

And, really, far as I can tell, this stuff is bad ass...
If we can get good results with it, anyone can.


Check it out:
http://www.axaltacs.com/content/dam/NA/HQ/Public/Cromax/Documents/TDS/CX-TDS-V-29X0S-Eng.pdf
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[Bobnotch]

So it doesn't come in black. Well that's shame. I only say that, as I have a customer who insists that I use "black death" (PPG DP 90), as he feels that stuff kills rust in it's tracks. He even picks it up for me to use.

Let us know how works out for you. I know I'll be watching. I really do hope it works out ok for you.

I know what the PPG can do over the long run (16+ years), whether the Dupont (excuse me Axalta) can survive in Michigan winters that long will have to be tested. And at this time, I'm not ready to switch to an unknown. I like being able to use white (great for seal coating before shooting VW colors), dark gray, light gray, and black primers, as they work better under most of the common top coat colors I work with (for that factory color match). I've even used gray green under a green car before, as the guy was a little short on cash when it came to buying paint (we stretched what he had bought). I've even mixed the primer colors before to get the shade I'm working with right.
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[Clatter]

Ya, was a bit miffed that it only came in dark gray...
You can see in the pics that it isn't black,

I'll try to figure out a way to pick up the pieces of my life and carry on!

The primer/filler only comes in grey, but it'll get sealed with the epoxy, so I should be able to live a reasonably normal life.
Here's that stuff, FWIW.
http://www.axaltacs.com/content/dam/NA/HQ/Public/Cromax/Documents/TDS/CX-TDS-LE340XS.pdf

Going on vacation has provided me a few opportunities to just sit and study the sheets, watch a few how-to painting videos, gun set-up, etc.
Actually a good thing, because it was starting to get really rushed there for a bit!

FWIW, here's the paint sheet, if anyone cares.
Notice they still call the stuff DuPont.
http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/visitor/common...PremSS.pdf
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[Bobnotch]

[Suesanctuary]

Wow! Amazing progress, I haven't been Samba "lurking" in quite some time and had eight pages of catch up to do! Great Job! Kudos to You and your Crew!

Remember to do some "vacationing" on your vacation. Rest, relaxation and Family time. The "project" will still be there when you get back!
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70 Fastback-AT w/ pop-outs


Did you know:
New York was the first state to require license plates, back in 1901. In those days, you had to make your own. Sears even sold Kits! Massachusetts was the first state to issue them in 1903.
Source: Automobile Magazine, Nov. 2006

[Clatter]

Thanks for the kind words, Sue.
Now there are six people who have read this!

After getting back from a week out of town,
There's the whole 'back to work' thing,
Where all of the work you would have been doing when you were away is waiting for you in a big pile...

The car is safely tucked away from the weather in the garage.

Rain/Fog/Mist/Drizzle has arrived right on schedule, as the kids start school.
Even Dave is back in school now, and it's hard for me to get used to moving at like 1/8 the speed of before.

Downloading all of the pictures off of my phone for safekeeping, and looking at ALL of the work that took place, it really boggles my mind how lucky i have been.
To have Dave help me SO much has been really the only way this could have happened.
Would have had the car maybe 10% blasted, and in the middle of divorce proceedings without his help.
Dave, I really, really, really appreciate all of the work you put in.
I love you, man... *sniff*...

Look at this one right here; The fog of paint is coming out of the cooling air intake ductwork.
We got a TON of paint in there.
Can't only imagine what it looks like, but that does not matter.
There is paint in there to protect, and that's what counts!

So, to keep things moving, i took a bunch of small parts to Ian who blasted them in his cabinet.
These are all of the small misc. stuff that will allow me to get the front clip on...

And here is a pair of 72-74 bus top tins that Jim tanked for me.
They are going to get body-worked and the cracks welded and blasted and rattle-canned so as to be available for mocking up the engine tin, whenever that happens.

So that's a little progress, right?


With luck, I'l load up the gun with some epoxy and squirt the front clip, side panels, engine hatch and whatnot,
But only if the weather cooperates.
The clip is inside, but it's been pretty wet out for a few days now.
Since the whole blast booth is unlikely to get set back up anytine soon,
the plan is to scuff it with some 220,
maybe lay a wash of phosphoric over it all, followed by a water rinse, and get it epoxied.

Yeesh, the motivation is pretty sparse right now, but hopefully seeing something get done will help with that!
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[eyetzr]

Welcome back from vacation. Once you start plugging away again it will keep ya going. You have the torch to carry after all the assistance you had. Carry on we are cheering for you.
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I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done"