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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22413 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:20 am Post subject: |
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eyetzr wrote: |
Just a thought. Is it the car or the door that has the twist. You did have the whole hover thing going on & driving down the street on that "frame" . I would do some quick corner to corner L/S to R/S measurements to see if it is the car or door. You had said earlier a repair to the L/S was done previously, maybe some residual damage coming back to haunt you. |
I agree completely. In the back of the Blue Bentley, is some measurements that might help you check for the body being in alignment. Might be worth having a look, before pulling your hair out, or going crazy. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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leviwon Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Monterey ca
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:31 am Post subject: fastback |
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looking good man! Everytime I log on here I see more progress, its starting to look like a car again! |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:47 am Post subject: Keeping Busy... |
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Thanks for the wisdom, guys...
Yes, the hoist and the cart can tweak the car,
But the Stage-Dive it took off of the stands is even more likely to tweak it... DOH!
*sigh*
The real culprit, however, is the side-swipe and subsequent "sectioning".
After fitting the door that came off of the car, it really shows how they fitted the door to the car.
The OG door does indeed still "fit".
Because this OG door has a few creases from years gone past,
Am on the fence as to wether it is better to fix the creases, or fit my better door.
Spent a bunch more time tweaking and fitting the front clip and doors/fenders;
Will spare you all more pics of that, nothing visible happened.
Anybody out there can tell me which hole the front trunk release cable tube goes through?
i have it wrong here, huh?
Anybody?
Anyways, i kept busy doing other things for a while.
Got to get the love back...
Took out some of my aggression by Sawzall-ing up some stuff:
Cut the hinge sections off of my donor clip,
Sawzalled up a few scraps to fit in the car,
Sawzalled the front section off of my donor sub to have patch pieces handy,
And took a bunch off to my friend who is having the scrap guy come today.
Say 'bye' to the old IRS sub,
It donated so much...
Then, i got enough inspiration to work on body parts some more.
The inner front fender piece tells a lot about front clip fits.
Too bad it had a big hole rusted in the bottom, and the lower mounting tab broken off.
No big deal, just patch it up as usual..
The same passenger front fender had a matching hole rusted into the skin.
Was part-way through grinding it when Mom got home and yelled very LOUD.
Been kissing up and doing as instructed ever since.
And, as a parting shot, got a couple of goodies in the mail.
Doesn't look like $170, does it?
Welcome to Porsche Town, Rich Guy.. Pay Up or Go Home!
i will say that they are 1000% better than my feeble attempt at fabricating these.
And, the factory paint on them all perfect and clean.... priceless!
Until next time.... _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13271 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:59 am Post subject: |
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ouch. I think I have some from my 912.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1266202.jpg
just a heads up, if you are using 911-912 calipers front and rear, the front pads will fit fine out of the box. The rear pads wont. they need some griding on the metal plate to fit. I think I have a brand new set of Textars if you want them (rear) |
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1425 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Does all that sawzall action work for ya? I did not want to mention the nose dive I thought it may still hurt, but since you mentioned it, it looks like you are in a better space. Carry on _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22413 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Keeping Busy... |
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Clatter wrote: |
Thanks for the wisdom, guys...
Anybody out there can tell me which hole the front trunk release cable tube goes through?
i have it wrong here, huh?
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I'm pretty sure it's the far left hole. I think the hole you've got the tube in right now is for the brake light wiring harness. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Spent a bunch of time 'welding' pin holes.
Basically blasting a tiny pin hole into a giant gaping crater,
Then having to blob it 1/2" tall and grind it forever until it gets paper thin and now has two pin holes...
Got to keep the dream alive somehow....
This whole weld/grind/repeat thing is for the birds. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Brent Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 1614 Location: San Tan Valley, AZ
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Clatter wrote: |
Spent a bunch of time 'welding' pin holes.
Basically blasting a tiny pin hole into a giant gaping crater,
Then having to blob it 1/2" tall and grind it forever until it gets paper thin and now has two pin holes...
Got to keep the dream alive somehow....
This whole weld/grind/repeat thing is for the birds. |
Are you putting a flat piece of copper behind the pinhole? _________________ 69 Fastback Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Brent wrote: |
Are you putting a flat piece of copper behind the pinhole? |
When i can.
These places that im doing here now are all curved, and buried in tight in crevices and under things..
Unless the copper can push up tight against the back of the hole, it doesn't seem to help much.
Famous last words, but I'm getting done with rust patching. (finally)
Can't imagine how the likes of Monte and Bob feel about these things by now.
But still,
Better rusty than rusty _and_ all bent up fron a wreck...
Sorry to be such Debbie Downer on my posts lately,
This last bit of body/fab/patch work is taking so very long, and hardly making any progress...
This is where i have to Pay the Piper with restoring a car that should have been totaled.
Side-Swipe _and_ Front-Ender... What was i thinking?
It's been easy to ignore this until now. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22413 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I know how you feel Steve. There's been days and even weeks of just taking care of rust and small holes. It gets to the point where you don't even bring the camera out, as you really don't have anything to show for all the time you spent. Eventually however, you'll finally get all those little spots done and can really knock out your other work. Sometimes I'll switch off of doing that "tedious" small work, and do some other stuff just to break up the monotony. The whole thing is, to just keep pecking away at all of the spots, and it'll get done.
Something else to keep in mind Steve, it took 47 years for the rust to happen, it's not all going to disappear overnight. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1425 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:39 am Post subject: |
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X2 bobnotch. Clatter, you started this project in January, almost 40 pages in, tons of followers & cheerleaders & you are moving along fine. Yeah its tedious, yeah frustrating turning a pinhole into a manhole, but it is progressing. I just looked at the beginning of this post & thought this is going to be long, you are getting things done & thats what counts. Grab a beer & the kids, read some of the first posts & have a laugh with the kids. Very well done _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
It gets to the point where you don't even bring the camera out, as you really don't have anything to show for all the time you spent. |
Well, in this case, i'll just drag the camera out anyway...
So, here is that rust patch piece all done.
er,
wait,
not quite done.
My grinding opened up a pin-hole... See it right there?
Here is the "blast a gaping hole" inner fender piece.
The lesson re-learned here is to cut the piece bigger than just the actual hole;
Cut away the too-thin cratered-out areas too, otherwise it's a PITA to weld.
The two pieces above are supposed to fit together.
After all of this mayhem, you would never know it.
A bunch of time was spent grinding and hammer/dolly-ing to get it all smooth and flat, with the lip along the back edge of the fender folded over to fit it all together.
It's getting there.
Wish i had a car with a properly-located front clip i could fit it to...
This area near the top of the cowl needed some holes filled.
There is a whole 'nother layer to be fitted over the top of all of this.
Not only does it get spot-welded, but also gets brazed here too.
This whole area got heated up and worked one too many times during its life.
From both spot-welding _and_ brazing during manufacture of the car,
but also my drilling those spot-welds, then grinding and chiseling the brazed top layer off.
(and also now welding the holes shut and grinding yet again).
This metal is now stretched and fatigued (sp), and it is bigger than it was/needs to be.
I *think* this is part of the reason that my clip fits kind of wonky and won't sit clear home. Sure hope so..
After this all gets finish ground, it's going to get a slit cut in it to shorten it and relieve the stretch/stress;
Vertically, right in the middle, where it ties into the 'firewall' piece under it.
Hard to show in pics and tell in words, but suffice it to say that this got all stretched out right here, and it's going to get 'relieved'.
Also started taking the headlight buckets out of the fenders.
Can't reach with a drill, so a small round stone in the die grinder got the spot-welds.
I'm really glad i took these headlight buckets out (at this point at least).
There would have been no other way to ferret out the rust and crust from up under there.
And, hey, can't go leaving one part of the car actually together...
Another bunch of work that has been taking place has been of an organizational nature.
The winter rains are coming, and along with it the winds.
Had a whole junkyard of parts way behind the north side of the house and they would likely have not survived a whole winter in bare metal out in the weather.
Took all of my doors and put them up off the dirt on boards and tarped them.
Tarped the street mattress (even though i think i'm done with it at this point, right?)
A bunch of stuff got Sawzalled into manageable size pieces and scrapped,
and some stuff like fenders, heater channels and glass got squirreled away in the attic.
Here's my doors and street mattress all tarped up, and my homowner rain-water harvesting barrel project, too. (happy wife - happy life)
Here the Atrium got all cleaned up; it was way over-due.
This does all tend to drip dew on everything, so it all needs put away and covered.
Like how i have my tow-bars all hosed down with WD-40 and up under the eaves?
I have a car cover on the car (lots of bare metal) and a tarp over that.
Hope this isn't a totally stupid move, because i could see the cover wicking moisture and the tarp holding it there.
Tried to keep the cover from sticking out from under the tarp where it could soak up water.
Sucks the ass-end of the car sticks out, but WTH...
Would be nice to keep it in the actual garage, but i do occasionally get to work on it out here.
It would need to be put back on wheels, and rolled clear around the house across the grass, by myself, every time i work on it, so this will have to do.
So, have to go and put a bunch of new ball-straps on the tarp-garage, as the wind is trying to shred it.
And, with any luck, the last couple of little cuts might actually get that damned front clip to finally seat home.
I could use some luck at this point.... the good kind.
Glad to see you guys are still following this. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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supersuk Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2010 Posts: 958 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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OOO, I know how you feel about having your car stick out from the carport, er, patio. My fasty does the same in my carport and I use a breathable car cover that is water repellant and put one of those silver/brown tarps over that to keep the water out. However, I dare not ever leave any bare metal because it rusts so fast where I live. If I do, then i spray some "rust blast" from kbs on it to protect it. Its one of those phosphoric acid treatments that keep the part free from rust for a small amount of time as long as its not in direct contact with water. This has worked well for me.
This is without the tarp.
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
It gets to the point where you don't even bring the camera out, as you really don't have anything to show for all the time you spent. |
Some more front clipwork:
Does anybody know what this nut is for?
It it part of the seat release?
Or is it part of the vent slider dealie?
Was going to shave and weld it up, but need to figure out if i need it or not.
Also found these holes along the front foot-well area.
Any ideas what these are?
They look factory, just can't for the life of me remember why they are there....
Got the clip off again and finish-ground and hammer/dollied the areas at the corners of the cowl.
Stopped short of cutting slits in this area because of the way it seemed to be shaping up a bit with the hammer work.
Another day with some clamping and test-fitting of fenders and patch pieces will show if it's there or not.
Finished getting the other headlight bucket out.
Here they are taking a stripper bath together.
This shows what a PITA this headlight bucket was.
You can see up at the top where i was a little off with my spot-weld drillage.
I beat the shit out of that headlight bucket by the time i got it out, because that _one_ spot-weld ruined the party.
There will be a lot of headlight bucket bodywork done by the time it goes back in.
This also shows a crease in the fender, with the circle drawn around it months ago, and part of the reason the buckets came out.
There will be a good 'ol hammer session on that crease and the stretched out bucket mounting rim soon.
But that's all for another day. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Brent Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 1614 Location: San Tan Valley, AZ
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:04 am Post subject: |
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The nut has me stumped...
The heater flap slider is just a wire that goes straight down from the knob to the flap.
I'm pretty sure those 4 holes aren't factory. Maybe someone mounted some speakers or something at some point? Or a package tray? Hopefully someone will confirm, but I remember the wheel well with zero holes in it.
Where did you get the brake lines? I need some for mine. _________________ 69 Fastback Build
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:11 am Post subject: |
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That nut & the holes were added on by a PO. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22413 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Mike Fisher wrote: |
That nut & the holes were added on by a PO. |
The nut was for the seat release cable clamp. Don't know if 67 still used it or not, as it might have been a hold over until later in the year. The extra holes were added by a PO though.
Nice work Steve. You're gaining on it. Sometimes it's the little things that help keep us motivated. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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The red '67 does have a square nut welded there for a Phillips head machine bolt. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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suruba Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2012 Posts: 132 Location: Seaside, CA
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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hey
Glad you pulled the buckets. sucks to flub the one that needed fixing, but like you said, you can't leave anything fully assembled! ha
bob was right about the hole for the frunk release. it's bent all funny like that from where the tube is seated in it as a clamping mechanism so it doesn't rattle
those brake lines for the calipers are stupid expensive. i was going to give you hell for not trying them on your own, but i read that they weren't too pretty, so i'll just hush
You're doing great man. I need to come around but school is kicking my ass.
the welding sure is coming along! you'll get that clip seated soon.
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Deep within the dregs of bodywork and fab,
Inspiration seems to slip away...
At the beginning, the project is new, and the stoke is strong.
Good thing, because the project is full of rusty holes and covered in grime.
By the time the rust and grime are gone, so is much of the stoke.
The part of you that is exited gets smaller and smaller, and the part of you that hates it gets bigger and bigger.
Even as it becomes cleaner and less rusty...
Many projects are abandoned right like mine here is - almost ready for paint.
There are a couple of other projects on this forum, right about here in their build, that we don't seem to be hearing as much from, either...
So,
To keep the dream alive, i do some more of what i like - messing about with motors.
Starting to think a bit about the 'big motor'.
Just setting the stuff out, and doing a bit of inventory, and a little shopping helps keep the fire burning deep within.
I hope...
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